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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jul 4, 2011 18:12:42 GMT
I'm afraid to say that both parts of the march are going to be full of ignorant idiots. The EDF side is well documented on this board about their idiotic views, however what I find quite ironic is in a country that everyone has the right to demonstrate, the UAF try to take away this right from the EDL through intimidation and violence.
I also find it quite worrying and nieve is this quote by Mirza Baig, vice chair of Cambridge Muslim Council from today's CEN: He recently told Unite Against Fascism members: “Thank you for raising your voice against messages of hate. You have our full support, and our committee will be participating in your demonstration.”
I would worry that the Muslim Council is aligned itself with the UAF. It really gives off the wrong message to 95% of the moderate community that live in Cambridge.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jul 4, 2011 18:17:35 GMT
the EDL'S issue is with not seeing many english in these cities is due to the fact that england is starting become a muslim state and if somethings not done about it, sooner rather than later when by then it will be tooo late to do anything about it! and by then we could al be reading from the quran and going to mosques. what is the issue with not seeing many english in these cities, well were in england which should be for us english, but have u noticed alot of english people are having to move abroad because of there home towns/cities becoming 90% muslim. being forced from where there from all because our country allows muslims to come and take over where ever they want. I wonder exactly what it is you would do about 'it' if you were given the power. Not saying your views are fascist but these sort of irrational fears are misguided and very dangerous. Surely we all know that extreme right pressure groups like the EDL are crypto-fascist and we support them at our peril. We know where their hate can lead from what happened in Germany in the mid 20th century and brings to mind these chilling words in a speech delivered by Himmler to SS leaders in Posen on 6th October 1943: ‘We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to destroy this people which wanted to destroy us. We have exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it. I will not see so much as a small area of sepsis appear here or gain a hold. Wherever it may form, we will cauterize it. All in all, we can say that we have fulfilled this most difficult duty for the love of our people. And our spirit, our soul, our character has not suffered injury from it.’ Back then ‘us english’ fought and did our bit to rid the world of the evil of fascism. Lets not let the evil bastards back again.
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jul 4, 2011 18:39:22 GMT
Well put Mark. What must also be remembered is in WW1 for the British army, 400,000 Muslims lost their life for King and Country (Our country, not theirs!). I went to a museum (can't remember where) and it had diary extracts from Muslim soldiers fighting. Extremely interesting and a bit upsetting tbh.
Something else I would like to point out too is that the views of the EDL tend to be common amongst white, working class people. They have long be neglected by previous governments and it is not surprising that groups such as EDL are on the rise.
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Post by cambcam on Jul 4, 2011 19:40:15 GMT
It`s very easy to pick holes in cufc4life`s argument, but it`s his opinion and fair play to him for expressing those views on a forum such as this.
There is little doubt (IMO) there is a chronic immigration problem in this country and at over 62 million people can`t help feeling that it is not right to just continue as we are.
We do seem to be constantly giving, constantly benevolent, and appear to steam-rollered in to believing all is well and there are no problems other than bigotry, racisim and intolerance.
I understand (some of) the benefits of the recent mass migration from Eastern Europe, but there are costs to us which must be huge, not just financially. You don`t have to look too far (education/healthcare for example) to see areas where changes are having a real impact. Instead of trying to trip people up and ridicule them for opinions other than our own, we need to accept there are pros and cons - a bit more of that and the EDL morons would soon be rudderless. Let`s not push reasonable people that way which I can`t help feeling the limp-wristed brigade are doing. It does frankly piss people off (it has me) if for example, you have a steady trickle of new kids in to a school that can`t speak English. But we daren`t speak about the cost, daren`t suggest there is a downside, after all we must be bigots, racists or intolerant. For God`s sake (no pun intended) of course there are issues that need addressing.
I do believe everyone should make the effort to visit Berlin. For kids it should be on the curriculum. The lessons from history are all there and anyone not moved to tears by that place can hardly be human. The reasons perhaps we are so sensitive, so ready to pounce on anyone with `questionable` views are all on display vividly in Berlin. The EDL mob would never understand, no doubt some are beyond help, but our virtual paranoia and obsession with benevolence isn`t helping either.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jul 4, 2011 19:47:19 GMT
cambcam, it's all very well praising someone for stating a contrary view, but when the basis for that view appears to be a succession of fallacies perhaps that praise is a little less justified.
And when an opinion is so 'easy to pick holes in', perhaps it more resembles a load of drivel than a valid viewpoint.
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Post by cambcam on Jul 4, 2011 19:52:25 GMT
Fair comment, but I dare say there are others with similar views that probably couldn`t be bothered with likely reaction - he`s had the balls if nothing else.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jul 4, 2011 20:06:29 GMT
I know something of EU law and benefits. Unless a fellow European has right to reside exercising their treaty rights under EU cooperation rules NHS costs are recovered from their home country so what might appear to be health care provided by the UK is actually reimbursed by the State of origin. EU citizens that are workers and work seekers and their family members have a right to claim benefits in the UK as we do in other EU states. Otherwise they have to be self sufficient because they have no recourse to public funds. Children have a right to continue to be educated in a country they are already being educated in so if a foreign (EU) parent loses their worker status they can still exercise a right to reside under european law and rightly so in a civilised country. We are a rich country by comparison to some other EU states and IMO its no different people coming to UK to work from Poland than say people coming from Ely to work in Cambridge. Those eastern europeans from outside the EU need work permits or visas. They have no recourse to public funds so whats the problem? UK has always prospered when it has let people in and we should be proud of our cosmopolitan history and embrace the growth workers from abroad can contribute to our country. Why be so negative...
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Post by cambcam on Jul 4, 2011 20:09:54 GMT
So it`s all hunky-dory then.
No problems at all.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jul 4, 2011 20:26:24 GMT
So it`s all hunky-dory then. No problems at all. I do get what your saying. IMO much of the problem is with the intolerable pressures the government is putting on ordinary people since they took power. They are being deliberately divisive whether about the pensions issue or over welfare reform and cuts in general. They are stifling growth and as result we can't do anything about inflation or raise taxes to pay the deficit. Their only solution is to cut cut cut whether tax receipts decline or not. They are making the working classes of this country pay the price so the uber rich dont pay or the feck up they caused. They want us to blame each other because as long as we are divided they win. We havent done anything wrong and we gotta stop blaming each other and start working together. Labour party do need to start looking out for the concerns of working people or agreed they will turn to the right. I live in a part of the country where my local councillor was up to recently a fascist so I know these are fighting times and we have to do everything we can to convince people that our values are worth defending from the right.
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Post by squibbon on Jul 4, 2011 21:02:07 GMT
Does that mean everything was great up until May last year? The problems the country is facing have not all just appeared in the last 14 months. Not saying what the Conservatives are doing is right or wrong, as I have no idea of the best solutions to our problems, but to lump the blame for everything on to their doorstep seems a bit blinkered.
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Post by warren62 on Jul 4, 2011 22:28:15 GMT
www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Support-floods-in-for-Cambridge-counter-march-04072011.htmI trust the line referencing members of CFU refers solely to members of cfu signing as individuals , and not as CFU the organisation. I give CFU a mandate to represent my views en masse relating to cambridge united FC , BUT CFU does not have a mandate to express any view politically on my behalf. Could D m-j clarify CFU members signing or is it once again poor journalism ?
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Post by Rico on Jul 5, 2011 8:05:26 GMT
Think it must have been edited since you posted that message. Article says 'members of CFU' which makes it quite clear it's individuals not the organisation as a whole.
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Post by cufc4life on Jul 5, 2011 10:35:32 GMT
Because we dont wear a burka were not intitled to anything in our own country! if i wore a burka and went to the council office im more likely to get somewhere to live, rather than being an ordinary englishman. now tell me this, how many muslims do u see as tramps on the streets?? i cant recall seeing any. infact tramps on the streets are mostly english and when wanting somewhere to live, they dont get a look at. which is totally wrong!
in our own country we dont get nothing but if i was a muslim, the state would chuck everything at me. our country does nothing for our own people which is disgusting! our country should look after there own people before helping others but they dont and thats the downfull of england and unless us english stand up and be counted its only going to get worse in years to come!
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jul 5, 2011 10:45:34 GMT
"Because we dont wear a burka were not intitled to anything in our own country!"
We've all been trolled. Good work.
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Post by warren62 on Jul 5, 2011 11:18:29 GMT
I hope that's the case. Or cufc4life was affected severely by teaching strikes during his english language studies or its his 2nd language.
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