Before you cast your vote.......

[pedrosacapuntas]

Dec 6, 2019 18:50:10 GMT kentishu said:

Dec 6, 2019 18:24:49 GMT cambcam said:

To those long-standing Labour voters that refuse to vote for Corbyn because of anti-semitism, I sincerely hope you get your reward and a return of the Labour Party you deserve very soon.

To those still in denial, might be worth taking a read:

You realise the leadership of the EHRC is Jewish?

Jesus cristo, that statement on it's own is probably enough to be indicted. 

[Mark of Carnage]

Dec 6, 2019 15:59:32 GMT lesj said:

I will be voting tactically in a bid to keep him out.

Good for you Les. I assume you are still a Libdem supporter so it's good to see you will be voting tactically to take the seat for Labour. Voting Labour in South Cambs is the only way to stop the Tories there and is good to see some consensus gelling on this in South Cambs.

At the start of the campaign the Libdems were well placed to challenge in south Cambs but their decline in the polls nationally has been matched by the increase in Labour's share in the polls both nationally and in South Cambs so a tactical vote for Dan Greef is the right decision as the momentum is with him.

I'm South cambs too but confess could never vote tactically for the Libdems simply because I don't trust them not to throw in with the Tories. However, I do understand that tactical voting is something the smaller parties like to do and respect that. Lets face it the only way the Conservatives can be stopped is to both reduce the number of MPs they have and to make sure Labour return more MPs than the Conservatives do. Nothing else really matters in our electoral system.

I expect more Libdems and Greens to lend their vote to Dan Greef to stop Tory candidate Anthony Browne who stands for dismantling what he calls the 'communist NHS', has racist views on migrants spreading germs and diseases, thinks muslims have divided loyalties and supports brexit in one the most remain constituencies in the UK. The Tories really dropped a bollock making him their candidate in South Cambs. South Cambs is a winnable seat for Labour and I am very supportive of Libdem and Green tactical voting to elect Dan Greef.

[lesj]

Tell me, if you thought the LibDem's stood a better chance of taking the seat than Labour , would you vote LibDem's ?

[kentishu]

If the LibDems were a clear second and could win I would vote for them, particularly if I was confident that LD voters were voting Lab in similar seats that Lab could win.

Ideally in all seats where Lab plus LD plus Green should score more votes than the Tories, tactical voting will be used to keep the Tories out. I still hope that someone with some authority takes control of tactical voting to achieve this. Jo Swinson could do this.

[lesj]

www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/yougov-poll-suggests-labour-will-win-in-cambridge-and-tories-will-scrape-home-in-south-cambridgeshire-9091611/


This poll predicts South Cambs Tories 42% LibDems 40% Labour 17%

[lionel]

This election has become the nastiest and most divisive I can recall. Boris has played a tactical masterclass of attack being the best form of defence. If you do not have a detailed manifesto or clear picture on Brexit- do not expose it.

He has linked all Tory failure to 'it wasn't me' and things will be much better when 'we get it done.' Sadly, this is being swallowed. Seriously, what does getting it done actually mean? This is just the initial chat.

The biggest con is that things will be better once we brexit. Brexit has been a toxic distraction away from the most important issues of 21st century living: health (NHS) mental/disibility, peace process in Ireland, international relations-intelligence sharing, environmental issues, workers rights, youth justice (county lines), fighting equality- discrimination, looking after the most vulnerable in society and a fairer distribution of wealth and pay. (To name but a few)

Will any of this be better once we brexit- will it boll###s!

Those who should be ashamed of themselves are Tory members who claim to be better.
I don't believe cabinet members chose public work to become soundbites for Boris. Yet this has happened. If Ken Clarke can not be accomodated in the tory party then something has gone seriously wrong.

[markshanahan]

Labour voter all my life. Labour manifesto would cost me many thousands in extra tax but I’m fine with that. Jerry1971 I value your U’s reviews and normally agree with them but earlier in your thread you described tax as stealing earlier in this thread which is a poisonous position. Surely you don’t mean this. Surely? I am in south Cambs constituency and will vote tactically for libdem as Johnson will be a disaster for this country. A terrible narcissist, liar and incompetent. He has let the Tory party be taken over by dangerous far fight forces and will demolish workers rights, human rights and the economy (via hard Brexit at 31 Dec 2020) if he is voted in. He must be stopped at all costs. Hung parliament the best option.

[lesj]

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-boris-johnsons-broken-promises-as-london-mayor

[Jerry1971]

Dec 8, 2019 20:20:01 GMT markshanahan said:

Labour voter all my life. Labour manifesto would cost me many thousands in extra tax but I’m fine with that. Jerry1971 I value your U’s reviews and normally agree with them but earlier in your thread you described tax as stealing earlier in this thread which is a poisonous position. Surely you don’t mean this. Surely? I am in south Cambs constituency and will vote tactically for libdem as Johnson will be a disaster for this country. A terrible narcissist, liar and incompetent. He has let the Tory party be taken over by dangerous far fight forces and will demolish workers rights, human rights and the economy (via hard Brexit at 31 Dec 2020) if he is voted in. He must be stopped at all costs. Hung parliament the best option.

Mark, you'll understand that I disagree, and I am sure we'll both respect each other's perspectives on this.

What I said earlier in this thread was this:

Mark - if a 'proper Labour government' as you refer to is one led by a Marxist anti-Semite, who simply cannot stop lying about the (not our) NHS, bangs on about his dystopian fantasies relating to the USA, will tax (steal) all that many have worked incredibly hard for and is surrounded by a front bench team with the ability of a squashed banana, then go for it. Labour now represents the politics of envy.

And in specific response to the tax is stealing comment I would add that I already am in the fortunate position of having to pay a hefty tax bill each year. Where I find myself diametrically opposed to Corbyn and Labour is that it plans to: Tax me further, tax those on low incomes further, tax anything it doesn't politically agree with, such as private school fees, and then, the killer, reduce the IHT relief threshold to £125,000, placing millions of homes into the inheritance tax bracket. What this means in principle is that if you've worked really hard throughout your life to buy a modest home, valued at your death at say, £200,000, that your beneficiary (say your kids) will pay 40% tax on the value over that threshold, (£75k), or £30,000 in tax. Under the current IHT rules, they'd pay nothing. Similarly, if you've worked throughout your life and have been fortunate enough to buy a home in Cambridge, where the average property is worth £460k (Zoopla), the IHT burden to be met by your descendant under Labour plans would be £134,000. Cambridge properties are almost all above the current IHT threshold of £325k, (or £475k if you leave your home to a direct member of your family), so the increase would be £80,000 (from £54,000 currently to £134,000). Worse if you leave your home to your child, where in Cambridge, the bill would be £134,000, an increase of £128,000. Perhaps this adds balance as to why I describe Labour's tax plans as theft, and I make no excuses for having done so. Remember, that to buy a property, almost all of us do so on a mortgage, which suggests we are working to fund that commitment, and of course, are paying tax on our earnings. As such, this is just tax on tax, and brings us straight back to the bad old days of Labour in the 70's.

[Mark of Carnage]

Dec 9, 2019 11:57:59 GMT Jerry1971 said:

Dec 8, 2019 20:20:01 GMT markshanahan said:

Labour voter all my life. Labour manifesto would cost me many thousands in extra tax but I’m fine with that. Jerry1971 I value your U’s reviews and normally agree with them but earlier in your thread you described tax as stealing earlier in this thread which is a poisonous position. Surely you don’t mean this. Surely? I am in south Cambs constituency and will vote tactically for libdem as Johnson will be a disaster for this country. A terrible narcissist, liar and incompetent. He has let the Tory party be taken over by dangerous far fight forces and will demolish workers rights, human rights and the economy (via hard Brexit at 31 Dec 2020) if he is voted in. He must be stopped at all costs. Hung parliament the best option.

Mark, you'll understand that I disagree, and I am sure we'll both respect each other's perspectives on this.

What I said earlier in this thread was this:

Mark - if a 'proper Labour government' as you refer to is one led by a Marxist anti-Semite, who simply cannot stop lying about the (not our) NHS, bangs on about his dystopian fantasies relating to the USA, will tax (steal) all that many have worked incredibly hard for and is surrounded by a front bench team with the ability of a squashed banana, then go for it. Labour now represents the politics of envy.

And in specific response to the tax is stealing comment I would add that I already am in the fortunate position of having to pay a hefty tax bill each year. Where I find myself diametrically opposed to Corbyn and Labour is that it plans to: Tax me further, tax those on low incomes further, tax anything it doesn't politically agree with, such as private school fees, and then, the killer, reduce the IHT relief threshold to £125,000, placing millions of homes into the inheritance tax bracket. What this means in principle is that if you've worked really hard throughout your life to buy a modest home, valued at your death at say, £200,000, that your beneficiary (say your kids) will pay 40% tax on the value over that threshold, (£75k), or £30,000 in tax. Under the current IHT rules, they'd pay nothing. Similarly, if you've worked throughout your life and have been fortunate enough to buy a home in Cambridge, where the average property is worth £460k (Zoopla), the IHT burden to be met by your descendant under Labour plans would be £134,000. Cambridge properties are almost all above the current IHT threshold of £325k, (or £475k if you leave your home to a direct member of your family), so the increase would be £80,000 (from £54,000 currently to £134,000). Worse if you leave your home to your child, where in Cambridge, the bill would be £134,000, an increase of £128,000. Perhaps this adds balance as to why I describe Labour's tax plans as theft, and I make no excuses for having done so. Remember, that to buy a property, almost all of us do so on a mortgage, which suggests we are working to fund that commitment, and of course, are paying tax on our earnings. As such, this is just tax on tax, and brings us straight back to the bad old days of Labour in the 70's.

That's all a bit melodramatic and some made up stuff in there too Jerry. It brings us back only as far as 2015 not the 1970s.

All that is being scrapped is the main residence rate that is £475k at present creeping up to £500k inheritance tax threshold in April if the Tories get elected. All the Funding Real Change anex to the Labour manifesto says on the issue is:

'Labour will reverse George Osborne’s Inheritance Tax cut which, according to reports was described by Treasury analysis as being “most likely benefit high income and wealthier households”.'

The pre-Osborne 2015 inheritance tax break was still very generous at a threshold of £325k. Osborne's give away on main residences was a scandelous tax break for those with least need and is simply being put back to the way it was in 2015.

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change.pdf

[ilovechadders]

Basically it all comes down to who is going to flip us over the least. The Lib Dem’s want proportional representation that would result in the malaise experienced in the last parliament repeated indefinitely with nobody able to push forward policies. Labour would return us to the 1970’s with Corbyn at the helm and bankrupt the country again and cause the next government to implement even more austerity to get things back on track. The Tories will take us out of Europe with no trade deal and lots of false promises and Boris will continue being a total knob and hypocrite.

At the moment I haven’t a clue who to vote for but might just draw a big penis on the voting slip as that sums them all up. I’m in South Cambs so who knows my vote, or spoiled paper, might actually mean someth8ng.

[moose]

Dec 9, 2019 11:57:59 GMT Jerry1971 said:

Dec 8, 2019 20:20:01 GMT markshanahan said:

Labour voter all my life. Labour manifesto would cost me many thousands in extra tax but I’m fine with that. Jerry1971 I value your U’s reviews and normally agree with them but earlier in your thread you described tax as stealing earlier in this thread which is a poisonous position. Surely you don’t mean this. Surely? I am in south Cambs constituency and will vote tactically for libdem as Johnson will be a disaster for this country. A terrible narcissist, liar and incompetent. He has let the Tory party be taken over by dangerous far fight forces and will demolish workers rights, human rights and the economy (via hard Brexit at 31 Dec 2020) if he is voted in. He must be stopped at all costs. Hung parliament the best option.

Mark, you'll understand that I disagree, and I am sure we'll both respect each other's perspectives on this.

What I said earlier in this thread was this:

Mark - if a 'proper Labour government' as you refer to is one led by a Marxist anti-Semite, who simply cannot stop lying about the (not our) NHS, bangs on about his dystopian fantasies relating to the USA, will tax (steal) all that many have worked incredibly hard for and is surrounded by a front bench team with the ability of a squashed banana, then go for it. Labour now represents the politics of envy.

And in specific response to the tax is stealing comment I would add that I already am in the fortunate position of having to pay a hefty tax bill each year. Where I find myself diametrically opposed to Corbyn and Labour is that it plans to: Tax me further, tax those on low incomes further, tax anything it doesn't politically agree with, such as private school fees, and then, the killer, reduce the IHT relief threshold to £125,000, placing millions of homes into the inheritance tax bracket. What this means in principle is that if you've worked really hard throughout your life to buy a modest home, valued at your death at say, £200,000, that your beneficiary (say your kids) will pay 40% tax on the value over that threshold, (£75k), or £30,000 in tax. Under the current IHT rules, they'd pay nothing. Similarly, if you've worked throughout your life and have been fortunate enough to buy a home in Cambridge, where the average property is worth £460k (Zoopla), the IHT burden to be met by your descendant under Labour plans would be £134,000. Cambridge properties are almost all above the current IHT threshold of £325k, (or £475k if you leave your home to a direct member of your family), so the increase would be £80,000 (from £54,000 currently to £134,000). Worse if you leave your home to your child, where in Cambridge, the bill would be £134,000, an increase of £128,000. Perhaps this adds balance as to why I describe Labour's tax plans as theft, and I make no excuses for having done so. Remember, that to buy a property, almost all of us do so on a mortgage, which suggests we are working to fund that commitment, and of course, are paying tax on our earnings. As such, this is just tax on tax, and brings us straight back to the bad old days of Labour in the 70's.

Despite what The Telegraph and others have suggested (with regards to VAT on private school fees), the Labour manifesto only talks of removing tax loopholes for private schools themselves.

[cambcam]

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change.pdf

Might as well do nothing and let the state take care of you according to that.

Doesn’t really seem to incentivise entrepreneurship and ambition.

[spyros]

Dec 10, 2019 12:03:47 GMT cambcam said:

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change.pdf

Might as well do nothing and let the state take care of you according to that.

Doesn’t really seem to incentivise entrepreneurship and ambition.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE ASK CAMBCAM ABOUT HIS SUCCESSFUL CARPET CLEANING FRANCHISE HE BUILT UP FROM NOTHING THANKS UP THE US

[cambcam]

Ho ho ho, very droll.

I don’t work (not in the conventional sense anyway) and am very fortunate to no longer have to. I do though sympathise with anyone that is entirely dependent upon state support and not working through circumstance rather than choice - that must be abject f*cking misery. Contrary to what you might think, I am actually right behind Corbyn and his welfare reforms, but, getting the balance right between a high level of support but not facilitating a culture of dependency has always been Labour’s Achilles heel.

Labour need to convince the electorate they can do that, until then.... it’s the status quo I’m afraid.