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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 14, 2020 12:07:09 GMT
Is this really a right v left thing? Its the environment, surely that knows no political allegiance?
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Post by cambsno on Feb 14, 2020 12:31:55 GMT
[/quote]Some emotive language there but essentially yes to both.
The right to protest and have an impact through action is legitimate politics and has a long history in this country. I am commited to democratic processes and will defend anyone's right to protest whether I agree with them or not. The police are only there to protect people and property and to preserve the peace which isn't always best served by wading in. The police are right to keep out of it. If you lot get into an altercation with each other then the police may need to intervene which is why it's good that they are there but let's hope it doesn't come to that. [/quote][/i]
Are you for real? Protest, yes, like others do but blocking the roads, trespass and criminal damage i dont think is acceptable.
These idiots will not be happy until cars are banned (ironic as lots of them probably use cars) and we all go vegan! Their demands are stupid and unrealistic and while virtually everyone i know supports a lot of what they say, they are turned off completely by the actions. They do not get PR at all. If the engaged with people properly they would get lots of support.
The police are an absolute joke. I am so tempted to try to get a few people together and block the road by the police station so they cant get home. Surely that would be acceptable seeing as XR get away with it? It will not be long before one of that mob is injured or even killed because people will snap.
They are also creating more pollution and importantly stopping vital functions - ambulances and fire for example will be impacted and a few minute delay could lead to deaths. People going to and from hospital, and other services like carers will be impacted.
I would so love to see Cambridge fight back and reclaim the streets. Hopefully some will go down there and drag them away, but you know the score, the police would then get involved and nick us instead!!!
Peaceful protest is a right but that is not trespass, vandalism, criminal damage and blocking a highway
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Post by kentishu on Feb 14, 2020 13:34:50 GMT
Is this really a right v left thing? Its the environment, surely that knows no political allegiance? Andrew Yes, with the right the profit motive is king, so the environment is likely to suffer. With the left, there is more central control, so it's easier to protect the environment. You can't really be an environmental capitalist, the two are inherently conflicted. Kentish
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Post by utopia on Feb 14, 2020 14:19:18 GMT
To be quite honest I’d be livid if the police sat back and handed control to XR. They’re clearly empowered by their ‘successes’ in London and their arrogance and sense of entitlement needs to be stopped.I’ve complete empathy for the desire to increase awareness of climate change and influence policy, but their methods are creating hate and division in an already terribly divided society. I agree wholeheartedly this Cambridge campaign is no more than blackmail and absolutely should not be allowed to succeed. I agree too that XR is much more than a climate change movement and is an anti-capitalist protest group attracting the usual lunatics. How the scientists deal with the undermining nutcases is going to interesting watching, and unfortunately, there are rather a lot of them. XR appear to be extinct in London since they got dragged off the top of a tube train in the East End by people who have to work to put bread on their tables. Around that time they were putting up posters in Peckham asking for non-white working class recruits. They didn't get any. Perhaps they're only endangered rather than extinct and will try again in London at half term or in the summer. Cambridge police have let them get away with far too much. A protest march is fine. Regularly blocking streets is not. On a practical level it is counterproductive in two ways. Firstly it angers potential supporters. Secondly it actually causes a temporary increase in congestion and pollution elsewhere in Cambridge. Might even encourage people to drive further to other town to do shopping, etc. Of course the target is wrong anyway. China produces more Co2 per capita than the UK does. Note per capita. In total it is much worse. Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia are the biggest polluters per capita. I don't expect people to go and protest in China or the Middle East. They would get killed. However, they should be targeting imports from China and exports to Saudi. If we started making things in this country it would be to much higher environmental standards. We would use cleaner energy and have lower transport requirements. It is globalism, which just mean goods are produced at the cheapest location, that causes a lot of environmental damage. Of course this isn't the purpose of XR. It was set up by Marxists latching onto the good intentions of idealistic young people in order to try and foist their vindictive agenda on everyone. Source for Co2 data: ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2
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Post by kentishu on Feb 14, 2020 16:11:13 GMT
Why do you bother to post messages when they are full of statements that are demonstrably untrue? Just a couple of examples, XR wasn't 'set up by Marxists' and you wouldn't 'be killed' if you protest in China or the ME. Perhaps you are quoting alternative facts?
Also, is your name supposed to be ironic?
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Post by TallPaddy on Feb 14, 2020 16:20:16 GMT
To be quite honest I’d be livid if the police sat back and handed control to XR. They’re clearly empowered by their ‘successes’ in London and their arrogance and sense of entitlement needs to be stopped.I’ve complete empathy for the desire to increase awareness of climate change and influence policy, but their methods are creating hate and division in an already terribly divided society. I agree wholeheartedly this Cambridge campaign is no more than blackmail and absolutely should not be allowed to succeed. I agree too that XR is much more than a climate change movement and is an anti-capitalist protest group attracting the usual lunatics. How the scientists deal with the undermining nutcases is going to interesting watching, and unfortunately, there are rather a lot of them. XR appear to be extinct in London since they got dragged off the top of a tube train in the East End by people who have to work to put bread on their tables. Around that time they were putting up posters in Peckham asking for non-white working class recruits. They didn't get any. Perhaps they're only endangered rather than extinct and will try again in London at half term or in the summer. Cambridge police have let them get away with far too much. A protest march is fine. Regularly blocking streets is not. On a practical level it is counterproductive in two ways. Firstly it angers potential supporters. Secondly it actually causes a temporary increase in congestion and pollution elsewhere in Cambridge. Might even encourage people to drive further to other town to do shopping, etc. Of course the target is wrong anyway. China produces more Co2 per capita than the UK does. Note per capita. In total it is much worse. Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia are the biggest polluters per capita. I don't expect people to go and protest in China or the Middle East. They would get killed. However, they should be targeting imports from China and exports to Saudi. If we started making things in this country it would be to much higher environmental standards. We would use cleaner energy and have lower transport requirements. It is globalism, which just mean goods are produced at the cheapest location, that causes a lot of environmental damage. Of course this isn't the purpose of XR. It was set up by Marxists latching onto the good intentions of idealistic young people in order to try and foist their vindictive agenda on everyone. Source for Co2 data: ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2 China produces more Co2 per capita than the UK does. Note per capita. In total it is much worse. The figures I just looked up state that China produces one third of the CO2 per capita than the uk. Read more: cambridgeunitedfc.proboards.com/thread/9526/stop-xrs-illegal-roadblock?page=2#ixzz6Dwi2osHc
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Post by wigby2 on Feb 14, 2020 16:27:51 GMT
They are blackmailing the whole city. Nothing we do on this very small island will make any real difference unless China,India,Brazil etc sort out their mess. Go and protest there. Cambridge police should arrest the lot for blackmail, intimidation and obstruction of the highway. Failing that can a few taxi drivers Chuck a bucket of cold water over them. Clogging up the city is going to cost lives with ambulances and fire engines not able to get through. How many people are going to struggle to reach Addenbrookes next week?
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 14, 2020 16:47:25 GMT
"Clogging up the city is going to cost lives with ambulances and fire engines not able to get through"
I'd be fairly sure they'd have thought of that and liaised with whatever authorities they need to liaise with to make sure no emergency services are inconvenienced.
I mean, right? Surely.
I think the leap in understanding, appreciation and respect for environmental issues in just the last year has been incredible. Conversations about rewinding, farming, fracking, veganism, etc have gone from being the concern of the few to being mainstream and that's great to see...if that has anything to do with XR or Greta Thunderbird then that's great and I hope they continue doing what they're doing.
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Post by utopia on Feb 14, 2020 17:22:06 GMT
XR appear to be extinct in London since they got dragged off the top of a tube train in the East End by people who have to work to put bread on their tables. Around that time they were putting up posters in Peckham asking for non-white working class recruits. They didn't get any. Perhaps they're only endangered rather than extinct and will try again in London at half term or in the summer. Cambridge police have let them get away with far too much. A protest march is fine. Regularly blocking streets is not. On a practical level it is counterproductive in two ways. Firstly it angers potential supporters. Secondly it actually causes a temporary increase in congestion and pollution elsewhere in Cambridge. Might even encourage people to drive further to other town to do shopping, etc. Of course the target is wrong anyway. China produces more Co2 per capita than the UK does. Note per capita. In total it is much worse. Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia are the biggest polluters per capita. I don't expect people to go and protest in China or the Middle East. They would get killed. However, they should be targeting imports from China and exports to Saudi. If we started making things in this country it would be to much higher environmental standards. We would use cleaner energy and have lower transport requirements. It is globalism, which just mean goods are produced at the cheapest location, that causes a lot of environmental damage. Of course this isn't the purpose of XR. It was set up by Marxists latching onto the good intentions of idealistic young people in order to try and foist their vindictive agenda on everyone. Source for Co2 data: ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2 China produces more Co2 per capita than the UK does. Note per capita. In total it is much worse. The figures I just looked up state that China produces one third of the CO2 per capita than the uk. Read more: cambridgeunitedfc.proboards.com/thread/9526/stop-xrs-illegal-roadblock?page=2#ixzz6Dwi2osHcI provided a link to my figures. The first hit on a google search is from 2009. That shows China with lower figures. However, the UK has cut our emissions substantially since then whilst China has built more and more coal power stations. Here is another source, albeit from 2014, that shows China emitting more per capita than the UK: data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC. I will add the link to my first source again as that was 2017: ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2. The gap will have grown since then. I like this site because it shows just how much progress we have made with renewable energy in the UK: gridwatch.co.uk/. Wind can get towards a third of electricity generation regularly. In Europe France has low emissions, below the global average per capita, because they have so much nuclear power. Whilst Germany is the dirty country of Western Europe due to their reliance on coal.
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Post by vanni on Feb 14, 2020 17:25:55 GMT
'Nothing we do on this very small island will make any real difference'
Read more: cambridgeunitedfc.proboards.com/thread/9526/stop-xrs-illegal-roadblock?page=2#ixzz6Dwp8BsdBI'm sorry but that is an utterly ridiculous argument and nothing will ever change in the world we live in if everybody believed that. Change has got to start somewhere before spreading all over the globe, and history is littered with examples of strong opposition every single time changes concerning our lifestyles are proposed. Every little bit helps and does make a difference.
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Post by utopia on Feb 14, 2020 17:36:27 GMT
"Clogging up the city is going to cost lives with ambulances and fire engines not able to get through" I'd be fairly sure they'd have thought of that and liaised with whatever authorities they need to liaise with to make sure no emergency services are inconvenienced. I mean, right? Surely.I think the leap in understanding, appreciation and respect for environmental issues in just the last year has been incredible. Conversations about rewinding, farming, fracking, veganism, etc have gone from being the concern of the few to being mainstream and that's great to see...if that has anything to do with XR or Greta Thunderbird then that's great and I hope they continue doing what they're doing. Andrew That will be a no. www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/stop-extinction-rebellion-roadblock-petition-launched-9099772/Minimising the impact means that there will be an impact. About time they were arrested and locked up overnight. London police did it. Bristol police did it. Time for Cambridge police to do their jobs.
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Post by cambsno on Feb 14, 2020 19:07:16 GMT
"Clogging up the city is going to cost lives with ambulances and fire engines not able to get through" I'd be fairly sure they'd have thought of that and liaised with whatever authorities they need to liaise with to make sure no emergency services are inconvenienced. I mean, right? Surely. I think the leap in understanding, appreciation and respect for environmental issues in just the last year has been incredible. Conversations about rewinding, farming, fracking, veganism, etc have gone from being the concern of the few to being mainstream and that's great to see...if that has anything to do with XR or Greta Thunderbird then that's great and I hope they continue doing what they're doing. Andrew It causes traffic chaos around the city so the average speed of an ambulance will be affected. It may take 9 mins rather than 6 to get somewhere which could be vital. If you block roads of course they will be inconvenienced directly or indirectly. What if an ambulance needs to go down Trumpington road? The queue won’t be a couple of cars, it will be much longer. It is not about conversation with them. As we have seen they are all hypocrites. Let’s say we banned cars as of next week. They would then be outside Tesco and m&s and blocking roads until we go vegan.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Feb 14, 2020 19:18:44 GMT
"Clogging up the city is going to cost lives with ambulances and fire engines not able to get through" I'd be fairly sure they'd have thought of that and liaised with whatever authorities they need to liaise with to make sure no emergency services are inconvenienced. I mean, right? Surely.I think the leap in understanding, appreciation and respect for environmental issues in just the last year has been incredible. Conversations about rewinding, farming, fracking, veganism, etc have gone from being the concern of the few to being mainstream and that's great to see...if that has anything to do with XR or Greta Thunderbird then that's great and I hope they continue doing what they're doing. Andrew That will be a no. www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/stop-extinction-rebellion-roadblock-petition-launched-9099772/Minimising the impact means that there will be an impact. About time they were arrested and locked up overnight. London police did it. Bristol police did it. Time for Cambridge police to do their jobs. I'm sure you could say the same thing about any road closure like the A14 for example. Obviously they are going to have made contingency plans for a road closure but equally obviously they would be let through by the protesters. No one is going to stop an ambulance with lights and sirens blaring. Sounds ominously like a classic social control argument that fuddy duddies can nod sagely in agreement about.
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Post by spyros on Feb 14, 2020 19:34:04 GMT
So one of us wants to see taxi drivers throwing water over them, one (for reasons best known to himself) wants to see them covered in their own sh*t and p*ss and a couple want to go down there and hold the coats while an (as yet unspecified) right-leaning mob get stuck into them...
Thank God we don't go on three-game winning streaks too often.
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Post by utopia on Feb 14, 2020 19:37:22 GMT
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