Rico
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Post by Rico on Mar 4, 2020 0:39:46 GMT
WHO now saying global mortality rate is higher than previously thought at 3.4%.
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cambcam
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Post by cambcam on Mar 4, 2020 13:49:23 GMT
Must be a fair few of us with travel plans that might have some big decisions to make. With things changing so rapidly it’s a bit of a minefield but the BBC gives a very good summary of airlines/travel companies/insurance obligations and liabilities etc here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51615412
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martin018
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Post by martin018 on Mar 7, 2020 11:26:10 GMT
People need to stop panicking. More will die from winter flu. People are panic buying bottled water, Tinned food, tablets, what a bunch of snowflakes!
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Mar 7, 2020 20:18:46 GMT
Old people most at risk, maybe they're snowflakes for being vulnerable?
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Post by lesj on Mar 7, 2020 22:29:44 GMT
As I will be 75 years old as of next week and have had Pernicious Anaemia for 40 years , I suppose I am one of the more vulnerable, but I am not panicking at the moment.
From what I have read, as of 7am this morning there were 206 cases proved positive from over 21000 tested.
That's just under 1%. of which I would suspect the vast majority will recover from
Obviously as more cases are tested the number is going to go up.
I see no reason to panic at the moment.
Obviously the media is making matters worse.
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Post by squibbon on Mar 7, 2020 23:48:49 GMT
What's happening with people hoarding toilet rolls? It's bizarre. I can sort of understand the hand gel all going but does covid-19 give you the runs too?
While I don't see the need for panic I do think we need to prepare for the worst. There aren't many spare beds in hospitals now let alone if hundreds, or possibly thousands, of elderly people get the virus and need treatment. The rest of the health service could grind to a halt.
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Post by essjay on Mar 8, 2020 0:49:05 GMT
I wanted to make pasta for the family tonight. We have run out so I went to sainsbury's, there was none. Went to Tesco, none there either. Aldi, lidl, even a couple of independent shops on the way home, same story. All panic bought and horded by loonies. What the actual f.
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Post by pappasmurf on Mar 8, 2020 8:39:17 GMT
Simple, just use the Guardian or Daily Mirror for toilet paper.
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Post by lesj on Mar 8, 2020 8:54:21 GMT
If you use the Sun, you can then say the Sun shines out of your arse.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Mar 8, 2020 9:27:28 GMT
Those that are flippant about this disease should stop being so dismissive/self-centred and think about the impact on the older people they come into contact with and will infect.
While we are being told that the mortality rate is 1 in 500 for children and not much worse for most adults with 75 to 80% not getting more than a little under the weather, current projections are that the mortality rate for men over 80 is 1 in 6 so the many in that age group that get seriously ill are going to suffer with acute respiratory failure that is likely to lead to a slow agonising death.
I think the government needs to move from their so called containment phase to the delay phase now and announce the kind of lockdowns we are seeing in Italy with immediate effect. It's going to have to happen anyway so why not shut the stable door before the horse has bolted. If we act fast many hundreds of thousands of lives may be saved by tried and tested quarantine measures while we work toward a vaccine or pray that this mutates into something less deadly. We are forgetting the lessons of history. Quarantine is the most effective way to deal with any contagion.
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Post by tommy on Mar 8, 2020 9:54:15 GMT
People need to stop panicking. More will die from winter flu. People are panic buying bottled water, Tinned food, tablets, what a bunch of snowflakes! 81% The percentage of cases which, according to a study of 45,000 confirmed infections in China, caused only minor illness. About 14% of patients had symptoms described as “severe”; 5% were considered “critical”, with about half of those resulting in death.
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moosehacker
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Post by moosehacker on Mar 8, 2020 16:04:50 GMT
Those that are flippant about this disease should stop being so dismissive/self-centred and think about the impact on the older people they come into contact with and will infect. While we are being told that the mortality rate is 1 in 500 for children and not much worse for most adults with 75 to 80% not getting more than a little under the weather, current projections are that the mortality rate for men over 80 is 1 in 6 so the many in that age group that get seriously ill are going to suffer with acute respiratory failure that is likely to lead to a slow agonising death. I think the government needs to move from their so called containment phase to the delay phase now and announce the kind of lockdowns we are seeing in Italy with immediate effect. It's going to have to happen anyway so why not shut the stable door before the horse has bolted. If we act fast many hundreds of thousands of lives may be saved by tried and tested quarantine measures while we work toward a vaccine or pray that this mutates into something less deadly. We are forgetting the lessons of history. Quarantine is the most effective way to deal with any contagion. So where would you ‘lockdown’ given the cases are evenly spread across the country?
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Mar 8, 2020 16:43:03 GMT
Those that are flippant about this disease should stop being so dismissive/self-centred and think about the impact on the older people they come into contact with and will infect. While we are being told that the mortality rate is 1 in 500 for children and not much worse for most adults with 75 to 80% not getting more than a little under the weather, current projections are that the mortality rate for men over 80 is 1 in 6 so the many in that age group that get seriously ill are going to suffer with acute respiratory failure that is likely to lead to a slow agonising death. I think the government needs to move from their so called containment phase to the delay phase now and announce the kind of lockdowns we are seeing in Italy with immediate effect. It's going to have to happen anyway so why not shut the stable door before the horse has bolted. If we act fast many hundreds of thousands of lives may be saved by tried and tested quarantine measures while we work toward a vaccine or pray that this mutates into something less deadly. We are forgetting the lessons of history. Quarantine is the most effective way to deal with any contagion. So where would you ‘lockdown’ given the cases are evenly spread across the country? Everywhere.. that's the idea of quarantine. Stop all non-essential movement. Close the arterial roads, rail etc. Close schools/colleges etc, expect vast majority of people to work from home or not work at all, organise deliveries of essentials to people as appropriate and ban all gatherings for events etc. These measures don't have to last more than a few weeks or a couple of months but could make all the difference in saving lives. The aim in the delay phase is to slow the rate of infection. You can't do this in a namby pamby way. The government need to pull their finger out and be decisive and do their job and protect the people they were elected to serve.
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Post by cambcam on Mar 8, 2020 16:47:18 GMT
People need to stop panicking. More will die from winter flu. People are panic buying bottled water, Tinned food, tablets, what a bunch of snowflakes! Depends how you look at it. If you think we are heading for large-scale lockdowns then it makes sense to be proactive. If you are elderly and at risk it makes sense to reduce your exposure and prepare for a self-imposed lockdown too. My mum and dad are 81 and 83, they’re both still going like trains but it’s foolish to underestimate the potential impact. This week an 83 year old man died in Milton Keynes hospital from the corona virus. My mum and dad have been visiting MK hospital daily to see my dad’s brother who has a different illness, but that sort of personal proximity does make you stop and think. I’m not sure where we go from here. Do we limit the movement of people to protect the most vulnerable or is the onus on the most vulnerable to protect themselves - the rest of us can just get on with it because “it’s not much worse than a cold” and it’s just too bad if a few oldies die off? My folks are ST holders at MK Dons so should they be proactive and stay at home now? (Don’t worry, I’ve made the jokes about plenty of personal space at Stadium MK) Should they avoid shopping centres, cinemas etc, or even stay at home completely? Or just carry on until the government makes the decision for them? It’s a difficult one, but the Italian mass quarantine suggests these are decisions that not just the most vulnerable are going to have to make. I’m going to Bali in 4 weeks and am hoping I don’t have my holiday buggered. Some people are annoyed they can’t get their favourite pasta at the supermarket. Some people are worried about potential loss of earning and their subsequent inability to pay their bills, and some people are worried they might die. If we have to collectively make some sacrifices to protect those in the last category, personally, I’d say it’s worth it.
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Post by moosehacker on Mar 8, 2020 17:24:50 GMT
So where would you ‘lockdown’ given the cases are evenly spread across the country? Everywhere.. that's the idea of quarantine. Stop all non-essential movement. Close the arterial roads, rail etc. Close schools/colleges etc, expect vast majority of people to work from home or not work at all, organise deliveries of essentials to people as appropriate and ban all gatherings for events etc. These measures don't have to last more than a few weeks or a couple of months but could make all the difference in saving lives. The aim in the delay phase is to slow the rate of infection. You can't do this in a namby pamby way. The government need to pull their finger out and be decisive and do their job and protect the people they were elected to serve. I am just not sure how practical that would be. How would you police it? Lockdown hasn’t worked to date in China or Italy. It will be interesting to see if the latest lockdown across Italy will have any effect. I just can’t see people sitting at home for weeks on end. People have a habit of not obeying what they are being asked to do. The government encourages people not to panic buy, so what do people do? The opposite. The sight of a woman walking through my local town with a trolley full of toilet rolls was equally funny but sad. Then of course there is the commercial element of asking businesses to close down for a period. I wish I could come up with a practical solution, but I wonder if lockdown would work in the 21st century.
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