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Post by roberts76 on Mar 11, 2020 17:43:38 GMT
Foreign countries with tasty foods, disliked by gammon English racists? Can't think of anything else they have in common. Donald "great and unmatched wisdom" Trump wants to wipe both of them off the map? I doubt he could even find them on a map
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Post by Bendigeidfran on Mar 12, 2020 23:05:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51836057Going to be interesting to see what they are told to do here. As jobs go the ONS is a relatively straightforward ‘work from home’ option so should they have been proactive and encouraged that in advance? The BBC website says “the company is taking appropriate steps to protect the well-being of staff” but there’s no official directive to the staff as yet. Sums up how tricky it is for employers, staff and the general public alike. Looks like we’re all going to be between a rock and a hard place, and that could be quite quickly too. The housing association I work for have given the instruction for all office staff to work from home. Front line staff like myself have been told its business as usual 😒
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Post by cambcam on Mar 13, 2020 7:57:27 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51836057Going to be interesting to see what they are told to do here. As jobs go the ONS is a relatively straightforward ‘work from home’ option so should they have been proactive and encouraged that in advance? The BBC website says “the company is taking appropriate steps to protect the well-being of staff” but there’s no official directive to the staff as yet. Sums up how tricky it is for employers, staff and the general public alike. Looks like we’re all going to be between a rock and a hard place, and that could be quite quickly too. The housing association I work for have given the instruction for all office staff to work from home. Front line staff like myself have been told its business as usual 😒 The top dog at ONS spoke to staff and said “it is important not to be too drastic too early”, Those with underlying health conditions could work from home but the rest effectively have to tough it out. Some staff are very angry about this and I wonder what we will think and do when we are in that situation. I must admit my take on all this changed when I heard someone in my son’s office tested positive. It suddenly became very real. I was worried about him (a young, fit lad at (relatively) very low risk. I thought about the isolation effect on us all, not seeing him and the real dangers to my elderly parents. Your mind does run away with you. Emotions will change as we start to learn of colleagues, friends and family with corona. It doesn’t look like that’s too far away unfortunately.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Mar 13, 2020 9:00:58 GMT
The strategy in the UK is clearly to let people become infected while delaying the rate of infection so the NHS has a fighting chance of coping with the numbers and so society and the economy does not grind to a halt. I think there is a realisation that a vaccine is a pipe dream and without any imunity pretty much all of us will become infected sooner or later.
There are concerns that countries that are ahead of us like Italy snd China have been caught out and made strategic errors such as too big a lock down in China which will have created a false impression that the virus has been tamed and will simply lurk in the population to come back much worse at a later date or northern Italy's experience of hospitals overwhelmed and being unable to treat those in need of ICU.
Sobering to think that the whole UK has less ICU capacity than northern Italy. Chickens coming home to roost on subjecting the NHS to austerity. When you look at it that way the government's strategy is the only realistic option they have to deal with this.
I think for now, I am trying to keep contact between myself and others to work related and essential only, stay a metre or two apart if possible, do the elbow shake and keep to the hygiene regime. I've the option to work from home but have decided not to cancel work appointments for now though I am ringing ahead to give anyone I am due to see that option. If I was in a high risk group I would be working from home from next week. I'm being flexible about this and depending on the situation might start working entirely from home from the following week. I also think reading between the lines it would be sensible for people over a certain age to go into isolation asap. I'm still working on my parents who are in their eightees doing ths and hopeful they will agree to it from this weekend.
The leadership we are getting on this is confusing at every level and looks like people will need to decide for themselves what's best for them and their families given the societal constraints we have of doing the very british thing of staying calm and carry on. As several have said already, history will be the judge of our approach to this.
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Post by Dylan on Mar 13, 2020 9:04:38 GMT
Wise words Mark 👏
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Post by soulhalshall on Mar 13, 2020 9:17:39 GMT
It will continue to come closer to us all won't it. Here in Ireland schools are closed from today, for at least five weeks (including Easter hols most likely). So we have two kids at home which is fine as I haven't been working and my wife is a teacher...but as we have only recently arrived here we are not yet receiving any child support, my wife's job is not permanent so does not pay in the holidays and may not pay during this time off, I was offered casual work in a cafe beginning tomorrow and in a language school during school holidays but both those things are in doubt now. We rent our house too, so it's a time of instability. That said, we have a small amount of savings, grandparents nearby and places to walk around, but strange times.
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Post by cambcam on Mar 13, 2020 11:01:08 GMT
“The strategy in the UK is clearly to let people become infected while delaying the rate of infection so the NHS has a fighting chance of coping with the numbers and so society and the economy does not grind to a halt.”
It would appear to be the case.
The ONS staff feel as though as government employees, they are part of this strategy and effectively ‘sacrificial lambs’. When you consider other companies generally are minimising risk, having staff work from home, shutting things down, buildings having deep cleans etc, the ONS do seem at odds and I wouldn’t blame anyone that felt it wasn’t on.
I can’t imagine any healthy person would actively seek to get corona at this stage for the greater good given the choice themselves, never mind if it was effectively forced upon them. That might be a selfish view but it’ll be interesting to see what we do individually when faced with such situations.
It’s going to be interesting too watching the instincts of the general public playing out too. The stripping of supermarket shelves suggest it’s every man for himself, but let’s hope kindness and the better side of humanity shines through too.
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Post by pappasmurf on Mar 13, 2020 13:17:56 GMT
Old people most at risk, maybe they're snowflakes for being vulnerable? ......I'm sure I was hearing somewhere that the older generation were being punished for voting Brexit.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Mar 13, 2020 17:42:07 GMT
Old people most at risk, maybe they're snowflakes for being vulnerable? ......I'm sure I was hearing somewhere that the older generation were being punished for voting Brexit. Wishing someone ill for their voting choices is not particularly pleasant. I do find older people voting for public service cuts (although the current mob have clearly borrowed their magic money tree they so much despised) somewhat confusing but each to their own.
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Post by Andrewlang on Mar 13, 2020 17:52:51 GMT
"Wishing someone ill for their voting choices is not particularly pleasant. I do find older people voting for public service cuts (although the current mob have clearly borrowed their magic money tree they so much despised) somewhat confusing but each to their own"
Yeah, hopefully a pandemic doesn't become a political weapon for some. You can already feel some people try and find an angle they can use to bash one side or the other (not neccersarily on here but Twitter is a...bottomless pit of anonymoose vicious bile).
Despite the social distancing this should be one of the more unifying things to have happened to the UK, and humanity in general for several life times. Hopefully nobody is left behind and no group of people are stigmatised by the virus this time.
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Post by cufcdenmark on Mar 13, 2020 18:10:28 GMT
Denmark is officially closing for 2 weeks from Monday. All schools and day care are shut, they want everyone that can to work from home. They have cancelled all concerts and shows, asked the pubs to close (although it looks like they will actually make them shut next week) and banned public meetings etc.
A lot of small businesses will continue as usual where possible, but quite a lot of them won't be able to and there is fears that many may go under.
Supermarkets are continuing as usual, though there has been mass hysteria from a lot of people and the shops have been emptied since the government announced the plan last Wednesday.
The country recently built a super hospital in Aarhus whilst down sizing all the others in the region, meaning that the region has over 300 beds less than we did before it opened, which could bite them on the arse very soon.
People have been told to avoid Hospitals and Doctors surgeries unless it is essential.
At the moment, there are around 800 people infected, and none of them voted for Brexit, which kind of disproves your theory Pappasmurf :-)
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Post by Rico on Mar 14, 2020 0:26:14 GMT
It’s going to be interesting too watching the instincts of the general public playing out too. The stripping of supermarket shelves suggest it’s every man for himself, but let’s hope kindness and the better side of humanity shines through too. The true strength of Thatcherism will show itself now?
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Post by cambcam on Mar 14, 2020 10:02:51 GMT
Yeah, hopefully a pandemic doesn't become a political weapon for some. You can already feel some people try and find an angle they can use to bash one side or the other (not neccersarily on here Andrew Looks like the “political weapon” virus has already spread on here unfortunately.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Mar 14, 2020 10:33:52 GMT
Yeah, hopefully a pandemic doesn't become a political weapon for some. You can already feel some people try and find an angle they can use to bash one side or the other (not neccersarily on here Andrew Looks like the “political weapon” virus has already spread on here unfortunately. As with everything it is a political issue. How we deal with the crisis and our attitude toward giving service providers what they need to do the job at hand etc. How much money we throw at treatment and easing the impact on people or businesses. Who gets what? It's all highly political. The centre-right have over the past few years displayed a cavalier approach to funding service providers and that attitude needs to stop and if it doesn't stop they need to be pressed. We have a centre-right government and there is a fear they will put capital before people or at least give that more weight than is appropriate. Hopefully there is now a better understanding that you get what you pay for and that we need to work together rather than seek to be so divisive, careless and greedy but we would be fools to trust in that happening and we still need to debate and hold those with daft views and in power to account.
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Post by kentishu on Mar 14, 2020 23:05:24 GMT
The possibility that this coronavirus outbreak was deliberately caused by the US is now gaining some traction, and there was a Guardian article about this two days ago. Speaking to friends in the Far East, it is a popular viewpoint. The fact that the US Army attended the World Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019 is another unsettling 'coincidence'.
I appreciate that such speculation may not be seen as very helpful by some, but should it transpire that the US is behind this, the implications could be worse than the disease itself.
Kentish
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