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Post by oliworth on Nov 28, 2011 20:44:45 GMT
Ah yes, just searched the Facebook Status Updates site and it seems the rumours are rife. I'm never wholly sure whether to trust these things as they have a habit of spiralling out of control as with any rumour, but your reaction does give more weight to it, for me at least (i.e. I have every reason to believe you if you say they're credible).
If true, it really is stunning that any paper would do that, especially with Leveson in full swing. It's easy to tar the whole of the press with the same brush, but it seems at least a section of it would do anything to sell a paper. What's perhaps even sadder is that people want to read it.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 28, 2011 21:00:24 GMT
I wouldn't have repeated it if I didn't feel it was credible. That obviously doesn't mean it's definitely the case. I wouldn't be certain of it myself unless it came from Gary Speed, which sadly is never going to happen.
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Post by imp566 on Nov 28, 2011 21:04:44 GMT
Unless he left a note of course.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Nov 28, 2011 21:07:19 GMT
Would be interesting to see if the Leveson inquiry makes anything of this.
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Post by oliworth on Nov 28, 2011 21:18:30 GMT
Unless he left a note of course. There will always be conspiracy theories... It's worth noting, of course, that what the Sun was (is?) going to report and what the actual situation was, as we're painfully aware, are not necessarily the same thing.
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Post by cufconuts on Nov 28, 2011 21:21:21 GMT
Seeing who Russ works (potential sources) i would take his speculation with more weight than others - although it is just speculation
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Post by warren62 on Nov 28, 2011 21:25:01 GMT
As someone who personally has had to deal with discovery of the body of a close family member who had taken their own life I wish that his family are left alone to deal with their loss without internet speculation or press intrusion. Better to say nothing than spread rumour and speculation to a wider audience.
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Post by smiffo on Nov 28, 2011 22:18:56 GMT
It may be the wrong thing to be thinking about at the moment, but something doesn't add up. A man seemingly with the world at his feet, who was on national media in Football Focus talking about future hopes for Wales and about his family, then hangs himself a matter of hours later. Was there an event inbetween that triggered this? Or was he masking something during Football Focus? People have been very quick to cite depression as the reason without anything to validate this, but it is a likely scenario. Regardless, it's a tragedy and a massive loss to football. I hope his family are properly looked after. I hope that sort of speculation ends right there. I for one have no interest if there was any `trigger` or if he was `masking something`. It`s an appalling situation for his family and I hope they are left alone to deal with it privately. Sadly there will be some grubby people digging for all they are worth. Sorry if it's come across like I'm "digging", all I was trying to say was what a lot of people were suggesting (depression) didn't add up. I'm not an expert on the subject of suicide or anything associated with it, but what I think to be true is someone with suicidal thoughts is highly unlikely to be making an appearance on national TV hours before. If you have more knowledge on the subject, genuinely, feel free to share. And if we do find out how or why this tragedy took place, maybe more can be done in future to prevent it happening again. If what a poster above has said is correct, attitudes towards mental health in Germany have changed since Robert Enke committed suicide. If what is being strongly suggested is true and Gary Speed was gay, if the pressure of this being revealed is what led to his suicide then I would hope someone would be held accountable. It's a sad world we live in if in 2011 there's even any pressure involved with revealing your sexuality, to lose even more faith in society check out the My Tram Experience video.
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Post by MartinL on Nov 29, 2011 1:03:06 GMT
Smiffo, many people who have commited suicide have, up until that point, led seemingly "normal" lives, which is why it is often such a huge shock for the people left behind. In my experience, people who threaten to take their own lives are the ones who never actually attempt it. Those that really want to do it do not shout it from the rooftops. I hope that the press do not print whatever stories that were going to come out (if it is indeed the case) for the sake of his loved ones. A very good friend of mine lost her sister in the same way over two years ago and even now she is still consumed by it, as are many others who have lost someone in similar circumstances. I was as shocked as anyone, but I don't wish to know the whys and wherefores and anyone else not personally connected to the man shouldn't either.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Nov 29, 2011 7:00:30 GMT
In my experience, people who threaten to take their own lives are the ones who never actually attempt it. That's not my experience of it through work. Encroaching thoughts of self harming for a lot of people are more commonplace than you might think. It's not an easy thing to take your own life and typically involves lots of thought before numerous attempts with cocktails of pills and vodka and/or cutting and any one of these attempts can be fatal. These people are genuinely at risk and with the right support often get through these times.
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Post by cambcam on Nov 29, 2011 9:18:31 GMT
I hope that sort of speculation ends right there. I for one have no interest if there was any `trigger` or if he was `masking something`. It`s an appalling situation for his family and I hope they are left alone to deal with it privately. Sadly there will be some grubby people digging for all they are worth. Sorry if it's come across like I'm "digging", all I was trying to say was what a lot of people were suggesting (depression) didn't add up. I'm not an expert on the subject of suicide or anything associated with it, but what I think to be true is someone with suicidal thoughts is highly unlikely to be making an appearance on national TV hours before. If you have more knowledge on the subject, genuinely, feel free to share. And if we do find out how or why this tragedy took place, maybe more can be done in future to prevent it happening again. If what a poster above has said is correct, attitudes towards mental health in Germany have changed since Robert Enke committed suicide. If what is being strongly suggested is true and Gary Speed was gay, if the pressure of this being revealed is what led to his suicide then I would hope someone would be held accountable. It's a sad world we live in if in 2011 there's even any pressure involved with revealing your sexuality, to lose even more faith in society check out the My Tram Experience video. Smiffo, I didn`t mean to personalise this and wasn`t at all calling you `grubby` for `digging`. My point was made very clumsily so sorry for that. I acknowledged Russ Greaves comment `Speculation will always be rife when a seemingly happy man takes his life. When everybody is asking the question 'why?' it's ridiculous to say people shouldn't seek answers.` That is fair enough. If this had been for example Paul Gascoigne it would have been perhaps less of a shock. There are clearly signs of mental illness there, although of course that does not necessarily suggest suicidal tendancies. I have experienced this sort of event very close to home, but don`t think my opinions are particularly clouded by this. The poor person I`m talking about had a long, long history of mental illness, which would appear to be very different with Gary Speed. Personally I don`t want to hear rumours or `credible suggestions` but accept that`s the way of the messages boards and internet in general. I watched the television news with interest yesterday and there was none of this at all. I like that.
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Post by MartinL on Nov 29, 2011 10:27:37 GMT
In my experience, people who threaten to take their own lives are the ones who never actually attempt it. That's not my experience of it through work. Encroaching thoughts of self harming for a lot of people are more commonplace than you might think. It's not an easy thing to take your own life and typically involves lots of thought before numerous attempts with cocktails of pills and vodka and/or cutting and any one of these attempts can be fatal. These people are genuinely at risk and with the right support often get through these times. That's just my personal experience Mark- not suggesting it's the case for everyone. But people I know or know friends/relatives of, that have taken their lives have mostly succeeded at the first attempt. The few I have known that have threatened it quite regularly have not attempted it. Like I say. just my own experiences If what you do for a living is helping vulnerable people who are at risk, then I take my hat of to you but with the alarming high rate of suicide throughout the world, to me it seems like the right support and help is quite hard to come by, either that or the people most at risk fail to seek help.
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Post by skippysleftglove on Nov 29, 2011 21:55:07 GMT
Seeing who Russ works (potential sources) i would take his speculation with more weight than others - although it is just speculation I wouldn't give weight to any speculation. I doubt we'll never know why it happened and maybe we don't need to know. I find it sad and disrespectful that people are suggesting a storyline that belongs in Hollyoaks could have been the cause. Sometimes, people have coping strategies of living a 'normal' life despite crippling feelings. However, it's not always easy controlling those feelings and things get too big. Just remember, despite how credible we think the sources are it is still the death of someone's dad that the speculation is about.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 29, 2011 21:59:09 GMT
People speculated about the motives and sanity of Behring Breivik, presumably you're against that too?
As I said, when an event occurs to which the main response is to ask 'why?', it's natural for people to speculate.
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Post by skippysleftglove on Nov 29, 2011 22:11:07 GMT
Please, don't be so touchy. I disagree with your post. I don't think it is a respectful thing to post
You're an intelligent guy and know there is a huge difference between the two cases. One caused physical damage to innocent victims and the other is a private matter for a family in mourning.
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