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Post by corona61 on Nov 29, 2011 22:44:36 GMT
....Press association insiders,well you would expect thems of the dumb and dumber media types to get the dirty speculation first.thats where they build a story.
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Post by imp566 on Nov 29, 2011 23:08:54 GMT
People speculated about the motives and sanity of Behring Breivik, presumably you're against that too? As I said, when an event occurs to which the main response is to ask 'why?', it's natural for people to speculate. That is an unusually crass reply from you. Comparing two very different scenarios is ridiculous. Breivik was a mad man who caused suffering and grief on many people. Relatives of his victims will always want to try and find out what his motives were, and rightly so. It was their lives he affected. Gary Speed's suicide was a private tragedy, the only people who need to know why it happened are his nearest and dearest, to whom my heart goes out after such an horrific event. The rest who want to pry into the reasons are intruding on private grief, this speculation is fed by the press in this country, who seem to think its everybody's business when a big story breaks. (I guess this is where you "defend" the freedom of the press....)
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Post by oliworth on Nov 30, 2011 0:20:37 GMT
The more I think about this, the more it confuses me.
Leaving aside the tragic events at the heart of this, if that's possible, and bearing in mind that this is all rumour, again, if that's possible, if the press correctly report a story that a married man in the public eye is having an affair, are they within their rights to do so, and can they be held responsible for the subsequent actions of one of the parties to that story?
It's a really hard question, and probably (actually, almost certainly) not one for this thread. The only facts that we know are that Gary Speed was a much loved person, and that he is now, shockingly, no longer with us. That that is a tragedy is something I'm sure we can all agree on.
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Post by corona61 on Nov 30, 2011 2:22:24 GMT
pax.
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Post by corona61 on Nov 30, 2011 2:51:40 GMT
oops' may have to double post........nah, ...as above.... tragic.........we all have tragic stories. especially when a life appears to have been 'thrown away',discarded as if it is of no use to anyone or anything. it is ,....either.....or..... whatever..... it is what it is,..for whatever reason. the dark recesses of the mind are unfathomable......(sigmund said to say that).......same goes for any of you lot out there that may be " A bit pissed off about"stuff"....we care..(well i fucking do)...unsure about "media types",thats a bit 'telly tubby'la'la da'hling. sad.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 30, 2011 7:58:42 GMT
I'm not defending the press at all. I'm not approaching the subject from that viewpoint. I'm talking about the right, and indeed natural inclination, of individuals to posit answers when the question 'why?' is so prevalent.
As for you, Corona61, I don't know what a "media type" is, but I suppose it's easier for some people to deal in generalisations. You know, all politicians are liars, all journalists are heartless scum, all unemployed people are lazy, all people over 50 are out of touch...
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Post by skippysleftglove on Nov 30, 2011 9:06:55 GMT
I'm not defending the press at all. I'm not approaching the subject from that viewpoint. I'm talking about the right, and indeed natural inclination, of individuals to posit answers when the question 'why?' is so prevalent. The question 'why' is so prevalent. However, you don't know, will never know and your firefly idea isn't needed on this on. I'm sure friends and family will be asking that question constantly and not fathom why the tragedy occurred. Look, my attitude on this one has changed in the last few months. -Public Interest: IMO, reporting a private affair etc is only in the public image if said person is trading on clean family image. Otherwise, it's a private life.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 30, 2011 9:16:00 GMT
I'm not reporting this as a story! People need to distinguish between what the media can/should/does do and what an individual may do.
The speculation regarding Speed's sexuality is out there and it has not come from me. It would still be out there if I had not said a word and I dare say someone else would eventually have raised it on here.
For the record, I did not hear of this speculation from PA, that was someone else's assumption. But regardless of where it came from, it is out there and it will continue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 12:19:19 GMT
I'm not reporting this as a story! People need to distinguish between what the media can/should/does do and what an individual may do. The speculation regarding Speed's sexuality is out there and it has not come from me. It would still be out there if I had not said a word and I dare say someone else would eventually have raised it on here. For the record, I did not hear of this speculation from PA, that was someone else's assumption. But regardless of where it came from, it is out there and it will continue. So it's out there, and you have 'educated' most of us on the matter - I for one was not aware of the chatter. It appears to be grubby speculation though, not something worth passing on in my opinion, particularly at this moment in time.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 30, 2011 12:30:26 GMT
As I said, I wouldn't have repeated it here if I felt it was purely "grubby speculation".
From the outset I said it could well not be true. There was speculation when Dale Roberts took his life that Paul Terry may have had something to do with it. When incidents liek this happen, speculation will follow.
If it offends you, it really is best to avoid it altogether.
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Post by skippysleftglove on Nov 30, 2011 17:44:07 GMT
It was my understanding that this was a thread to pay tribute to a throughly decent bloke. A chance to pay tribute to what you know he did and not speculate on might be.
I am quite aware you are merely repeating speculation that you have heard. My question would be why you felt the need to repeat it on this thread.
I do not find your words offensive. I am disapointed that you believed this was the place to pass your rumours on. Your post reads like someone who has never personally be affected by suicide and I hope for your sake that remains intact. It's a horrible thing to deal with and made worse when rumours are flying around.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 30, 2011 18:17:11 GMT
The thread has no pre-defined purpose, it was initiated by someone posting the news, there was no tribute in the first post.
Within just a few posts, people were asking why, saying they were shocked, speculating that he must have been depressed, wondering why.
Evidently it's an emotive subject, but I am not being disrespectful to the memory of a person to offer what I believe to be a credible suggestion as why that person killed themselves. If those same thoughts aren't running through the heads of even his nearest and dearest, I'd be very surprised.
Posting a message on a forum which will not be read by Gary Speed's family and friends does not constitute an infringement upon their private grief.
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Post by warren62 on Nov 30, 2011 20:05:24 GMT
Why did you even feel the need to raise it (internet innuendo) on this forum when a considerable people where unaware of the rumours and didn't really have any interest in knowing the whys and wherefores of this tragic story.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Nov 30, 2011 20:11:43 GMT
I'm confident that I've made myself very clear on all the other posts on this thread.
The inquest currently taking place will hopefully establish some of the whys and wherefores for the many people who do have an interest. You'll not need to pay any mind to that, however.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Dec 1, 2011 1:08:07 GMT
I don't understand the psychology of it but like it or not the reason and cause of death for anyone who dies a sudden death always seems to get remembered and seems to define the way we see their lives to a totally disproportionate degree considering its only a small period at the end of their lives. Most of us have an urge to know the reason even though it doesn't really matter to us. Again, however uncomfortable we are with it, for someone in the public eye, there is definitely a public interest in establishing the truth and with Leveson going on as well I think the way the media approach all sorts of things is rightly coming under the spotlight.
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