neilmc4
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Post by neilmc4 on Jul 2, 2023 18:48:34 GMT
Such a shame that a brilliant five days of ebb and flow Test cricket at Lord`s will now be remembered more for Bairstow`s controversial dismissal than for Stokes` unbelievable hitting. At the risk of opening up an oil drum-sized can of worms is it better to win by bending (or even breaking) the rules or to lose fairly? Given the ridiculous sums of money at stake in top level professional sport these days I`m afraid I think I already know the answer , and I`m equally afraid that this particular genie escaped from the bottle many years ago.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 2, 2023 18:52:04 GMT
I'm afraid that smart cricket won here. There was nothing against the rules in what they did, maybe against the spirit of the game, but in the laws of the game, which is why the 3rd Umpire had to uphold the appeal. However I would wager that if Starc's catch to dismiss Duckett last night had been judge fair, Bairstow's run out wouldn't have happened.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 2, 2023 19:05:21 GMT
I'm afraid that smart cricket won here. There was nothing against the rules in what they did, maybe against the spirit of the game, but in the laws of the game, which is why the 3rd Umpire had to uphold the appeal. However I would wager that if Starc's catch to dismiss Duckett last night had been judge fair, Bairstow's run out wouldn't have happened. Starc's catch was nothing to do with fair play, they checked it and it wasn't out. Using that to justify a cheap loophole exploit is ridiculous. You can argue that Bairstow could have waited 2 seconds but it's something that happens hundreds of times every game without incident. I'm most annoyed at the umpires who clearly thought the ball was dead by their actions, not saying anything and putting the third umpire in the award position of having to follow the laws.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 2, 2023 19:29:49 GMT
I'm afraid that smart cricket won here. There was nothing against the rules in what they did, maybe against the spirit of the game, but in the laws of the game, which is why the 3rd Umpire had to uphold the appeal. However I would wager that if Starc's catch to dismiss Duckett last night had been judge fair, Bairstow's run out wouldn't have happened. Starc's catch was nothing to do with fair play, they checked it and it wasn't out. Using that to justify a cheap loophole exploit is ridiculous. You can argue that Bairstow could have waited 2 seconds but it's something that happens hundreds of times every game without incident. I'm most annoyed at the umpires who clearly thought the ball was dead by their actions, not saying anything and putting the third umpire in the award position of having to follow the laws. I agree, but they clearly felt aggrieved by the decision the night before - Starc suggested as much when he was interviewed afterwards. The Umpires hold much of the responsibility here - moving off to their new positions at the end of the over without calling 'Over' is wrong.
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lionel
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Post by lionel on Jul 2, 2023 20:31:57 GMT
Duckett wasn't out as Starc grounded the ball before he was in control of his movement.
Cummins and Carey showed their integrity is questionable. They are really good players but today they have disrespected the baggy green.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 2, 2023 20:56:45 GMT
If we ever doubted it, the Aussies are implementing a win at all costs strategy. Show me an Aussie who is a good loser? There isn't one!
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Post by danielcufc on Jul 7, 2023 21:12:36 GMT
Ashes in the balance after today. The Bairstow decision to keep is coming back to hurt England. Amazing effort from Stokes again. Who can be the hero tomorrow?
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Jul 7, 2023 21:24:50 GMT
Absolute vibes this series. Low quality from both sides but three exciting matches.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 8, 2023 7:07:33 GMT
Ashes in the balance after today. The Bairstow decision to keep is coming back to hurt England. Amazing effort from Stokes again. Who can be the hero tomorrow? Bringing back Bairstow was the obvious move at the start of the series, but it hasn't really come off, has it? He really needs a big knock in the second innings to restore faith in him. With the injuries we have at the moment (Stokes is alleged to be doubtful for the next test), there has to be a case for changing the batting line up and bring Foakes back as a specialist WK; move Bairstow to 3, Brook back to 5, Moeen to 6, and bring Foakes in at 7. Trouble is, that does give us a long tail.
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Post by champair79 on Jul 9, 2023 7:15:24 GMT
Does it? Chris Woakes at 8 is more than handy. I’ve been very impressed with his bowling.
If Stokes does miss out (will he really sit out?), the team I’d like to see is:
Crawley Duckett Brook Root Bairstow Moeen Foakes Woakes Broad Anderson Tongue
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Post by imp566 on Jul 9, 2023 7:43:06 GMT
Does it? Chris Woakes at 8 is more than handy. I’ve been very impressed with his bowling. If Stokes does miss out (will he really sit out?), the team I’d like to see is: Crawley Duckett Brook Root Bairstow Moeen Foakes Woakes Broad Anderson Tongue Wouldn't argue with that too much, but you wouldn't expect too many runs from 8-11 (or Moeen either, he is a rubbish or bust batsman), but Wood has to play if he is fit instead of Tongue. His pace really roughed up the Aussies in the first innings.
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Post by jonmacartney on Jul 9, 2023 9:06:36 GMT
The injuries and, frankly, stange choice of bowlers for the pitches (Brum & Lords) is going to make selection quite tricky. There's a week off before OT but then a quick turn around for the Oval. If Wood can only play in one I think they'll keep him for the Oval - that said if he can play both that would be better. Will the pitch be ok for Jimmy at his home ground? I hope so!
Anyway only an hour to go before today - England will win by 6 wickets - if Brooks, Moeen, Bairstow et al desist giving boundary riders catching practice - if they don't it'll be up to Root & Stokes (again) or the Urn will be gone.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 9, 2023 10:49:06 GMT
The injuries and, frankly, stange choice of bowlers for the pitches (Brum & Lords) is going to make selection quite tricky. There's a week off before OT but then a quick turn around for the Oval. If Wood can only play in one I think they'll keep him for the Oval - that said if he can play both that would be better. Will the pitch be ok for Jimmy at his home ground? I hope so! Anyway only an hour to go before today - England will win by 6 wickets - if Brooks, Moeen, Bairstow et al desist giving boundary riders catching practice - if they don't it'll be up to Root & Stokes (again) or the Urn will be gone. Jimmy is nailed on to play at Old Trafford, and possibly The Oval if we are in the hunt to save or win the series. Tongue is one for the future and if he carries on developing and stays fit, could be a worthy Anderson replacement.
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Post by jonmacartney on Jul 9, 2023 12:26:49 GMT
I agree re Jimmy, but just hope the pitch will suit him - they certainly didn't in the 1st two tests! There's been more movement at the oval this year too, with Worral et al taking plenty of wickets. Guess the exact pace attack will depend on how folk are. Broad's been superb so I'm sure will play both unless something happens to him.
Lunch: might have been a little hopeful with the 6 wicket winning margin but surely Eng will win. Root looked out of sorst but Brook has played wlel despite a few loose ones.
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Post by imp566 on Jul 9, 2023 13:23:49 GMT
I agree re Jimmy, but just hope the pitch will suit him - they certainly didn't in the 1st two tests! There's been more movement at the oval this year too, with Worral et al taking plenty of wickets. Guess the exact pace attack will depend on how folk are. Broad's been superb so I'm sure will play both unless something happens to him. Lunch: might have been a little hopeful with the 6 wicket winning margin but surely Eng will win. Root looked out of sorst but Brook has played wlel despite a few loose ones. All change in the 30 minutes after lunch, but why on earth are we persisting with trying to hit the leather off the ball? Woakes comes in and first instinct is a booming drive to one way outside the stumps. Support Brook and let him dictate how we chase thes. Entertaining is fine, but play the situation!
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