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Post by Van Field Tilt on Feb 13, 2023 17:08:04 GMT
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Post by danielcufc on Feb 13, 2023 17:16:12 GMT
No not the more prominent ones no. There point I think is that its more fun with smaller away travelling numbers. There are older fans who are just as bad as the youth as well. Potatoes.  You've lost me Jerry! Did you mean a Cabbage link for face  |
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Post by whiteswan on Feb 13, 2023 17:30:12 GMT
Notice that some of the younger cambridge aces types are claiming on Twitter that there will be no trouble at Fleetwood & Exeter because the 'part timers' wont go and its more fun with only 200-300 going away. Yep. Non league mindset. If they want small cliquey away followings with generic songs, cheesy banners and shlt flags, they should follow one of the local non league teams. UTAS covered it well this week - there is a section of our support that see league 1 as a holiday and would be just as happy watching us fumble about in league 2, travelling to places like Salford, Harrogate, barrow etc. Those people really exist and there’s probably more than I realised. The lack of ambition on and off the pitch is depressing at times. Our league 1 status is on the line. C’mon United. |
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Post by squeeze. on Feb 13, 2023 18:05:28 GMT
Notice that some of the younger cambridge aces types are claiming on Twitter that there will be no trouble at Fleetwood & Exeter because the 'part timers' wont go and its more fun with only 200-300 going away. Yep. Non league mindset. If they want small cliquey away followings with generic songs, cheesy banners and shlt flags, they should follow one of the local non league teams. UTAS covered it well this week - there is a section of our support that see league 1 as a holiday and would be just as happy watching us fumble about in league 2, travelling to places like Salford, Harrogate, barrow etc. Those people really exist and there’s probably more than I realised. The lack of ambition on and off the pitch is depressing at times. Our league 1 status is on the line. C’mon United. As opposed to places like Burton, Fleetwood, Accrington, Forest Green, Exeter and Cheltenham. The beauty of this country’s football pyramid means there will always be teams punching above their weight and teams lower down with unfulfilled potential. Judging a league on the teams playing in it at any one point in time is absolutely futile. |
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Feb 13, 2023 18:10:08 GMT
Notice that some of the younger cambridge aces types are claiming on Twitter that there will be no trouble at Fleetwood & Exeter because the 'part timers' wont go and its more fun with only 200-300 going away. Yep. Non league mindset. If they want small cliquey away followings with generic songs, cheesy banners and shlt flags, they should follow one of the local non league teams. UTAS covered it well this week - there is a section of our support that see league 1 as a holiday and would be just as happy watching us fumble about in league 2, travelling to places like Salford, Harrogate, barrow etc. Those people really exist and there’s probably more than I realised. The lack of ambition on and off the pitch is depressing at times. Our league 1 status is on the line. C’mon United. I wonder if anyone would admit to having this view? I'd hope everyone would have the ambition to stay in this league but would admit I thought last season would pan out more like this one has so I'm perhaps not surprised about this year - I don't think that should be equated to being 'as happy' with being relegated though. I think we'd all like to be more Oxford or Shrewsbury but to be realistic we are probably more likely to be a Northampton, and if you're being honest about it, looking at our recent history we are sort of on holiday here as dull League 2 side until we prove otherwise - not that means we should settle for that. |
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Post by whiteswan on Feb 13, 2023 18:15:16 GMT
Yep. Non league mindset. If they want small cliquey away followings with generic songs, cheesy banners and shlt flags, they should follow one of the local non league teams. UTAS covered it well this week - there is a section of our support that see league 1 as a holiday and would be just as happy watching us fumble about in league 2, travelling to places like Salford, Harrogate, barrow etc. Those people really exist and there’s probably more than I realised. The lack of ambition on and off the pitch is depressing at times. Our league 1 status is on the line. C’mon United. As opposed to places like Burton, Fleetwood, Accrington, Forest Green, Exeter and Cheltenham. The beauty of this country’s football pyramid means there will always be teams punching above their weight and teams lower down with unfulfilled potential. Judging a league on the teams playing in it at any one point in time is absolutely futile. Yeah….but Burton, Fleetwood, Accrington, Chudley Cannons etc is balanced out by Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Derby, Posh, Charlton, Pompey etc etc. League 2 looks fecking dreadful right now. No one in there right mind will disagree with that (unless you belong to the group mentioned above, or spend your Saturdays watching non league football around East Anglia) |
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Post by Denton on Feb 13, 2023 18:52:59 GMT
Yep. Non league mindset. If they want small cliquey away followings with generic songs, cheesy banners and shlt flags, they should follow one of the local non league teams. UTAS covered it well this week - there is a section of our support that see league 1 as a holiday and would be just as happy watching us fumble about in league 2, travelling to places like Salford, Harrogate, barrow etc. Those people really exist and there’s probably more than I realised. The lack of ambition on and off the pitch is depressing at times. Our league 1 status is on the line. C’mon United. I wonder if anyone would admit to having this view? I'd hope everyone would have the ambition to stay in this league but would admit I thought last season would pan out more like this one has so I'm perhaps not surprised about this year - I don't think that should be equated to being 'as happy' with being relegated though. I think we'd all like to be more Oxford or Shrewsbury but to be realistic we are probably more likely to be a Northampton, and if you're being honest about it, looking at our recent history we are sort of on holiday here as dull League 2 side until we prove otherwise - not that means we should settle for that. I think those people are a bit deluded and have us down as a Northampton type, my problem with that theory is we would have to have a similar budget to them in the first place. If we go down we go back towards a mid table league 2 side, we haven't got the budget in place to kick on from that division. Our promotion was luck (some well guided luck but luck all the same) and I can't see us just bouncing back up at the first time of asking. We should have used this opportunity to turn into an Oxford/Shrewsbury type and I think we're going to waste it sadly. It's not the end of the world if we go down, it was probably going to happen at some point. It'll just be massively deflating for everyone and for the club itself. Hard to bounce back from but at least this time we have better training facilities, we own the ground and our youth team will probably all get big amounts of game time next year |
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 13, 2023 19:14:55 GMT
I think we're being a little unfair when we accuse united of a lack of amberbition. If I had just stumped up 4m to buy the ground back, to update the training facilities and had the genuine intention and very real possibility of redeveloping the ground I think I'd be a little narked at the suggestion.
In fairness I guess that's not entirely what we mean when criticise, but I think that by looking at the long term sustainability and growth of the club, for possibly the first time ever, we protect it from becoming the sort of mess that Southend, Scunthorpe, York and others are and give it the foundations it can grow from. It's a delicate balance and we're struggling so clearly we got some aspects of our growth wrong, but I genuinely believe we've been amberbitious this season. Hugely so. It makes no sense to suggest otherwise for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 19:39:46 GMT
I think we're being a little unfair when we accuse united of a lack of amberbition. If I had just stumped up 4m to buy the ground back, to update the training facilities and had the genuine intention and very real possibility of redeveloping the ground I think I'd be a little narked at the suggestion. In fairness I guess that's not entirely what we mean when criticise, but I think that by looking at the long term sustainability and growth of the club, for possibly the first time ever, we protect it from becoming the sort of mess that Southend, Scunthorpe, York and others are and give it the foundations it can grow from. It's a delicate balance and we're struggling so clearly we got some aspects of our growth wrong, but I genuinely believe we've been amberbitious this season. Hugely so. It makes no sense to suggest otherwise for me. Andrew Excellent post Andrew - it's exactly that balance between a match-by-match judgement (struggling at the moment) versus the bigger, long term future of the club (pretty bloody good I think). And we do have to remember those unfortunate clubs who you mention and think of them and their fans. I've been as frustrated as anyone at our current plight this season but it really is a blip in the bigger scheme of things. |
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Post by squeeze. on Feb 13, 2023 19:51:14 GMT
As opposed to places like Burton, Fleetwood, Accrington, Forest Green, Exeter and Cheltenham. The beauty of this country’s football pyramid means there will always be teams punching above their weight and teams lower down with unfulfilled potential. Judging a league on the teams playing in it at any one point in time is absolutely futile. Yeah….but Burton, Fleetwood, Accrington, Chudley Cannons etc is balanced out by Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich, Derby, Posh, Charlton, Pompey etc etc. League 2 looks fecking dreadful right now. No one in there right mind will disagree with that (unless you belong to the group mentioned above, or spend your Saturdays watching non league football around East Anglia) Bollocks. Too many narrow minded football fans around that think success as a football club is entirely defined by what league you are in or how much money you spend. |
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Post by whiteswan on Feb 13, 2023 20:19:19 GMT
One of the biggest components/outcomes/factors of success is the league you’re in.
Cambridge getting promoted to league 1 is a success. Competing against bigger clubs, playing in more attractive fixtures and therefore higher attendances is an outcome/reward for that success.
Getting relegated league 2 is the opposite of that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 20:35:27 GMT
One of the biggest components/outcomes/factors of success is the league you’re in. Cambridge getting promoted to league 1 in a success. Competing against bigger clubs, more attractive fixtures and therefore higher attendances is an outcome/reward for that success. Getting relegated league 2 is the opposite of that. Of course getting promoted is a success but surely you must see the bigger picture? No club is entitled to step-by-step progression. And if fans think their clubs are, then perhaps they should go back to watching clubs perform in some virtual hyperstratosphere universe where everything is done on a screen and not in real life. If we get relegated (and I hope we don't) it will be a bit of an ouch and will hurt but I really believe the club has the set up, sustainability and nous to start planning to return to League 1...a little older, a little wiser and a little uglier. BTW: anyone who uses the word 'ambition' in terms of the running of a club really doesn't understand football. It's a particularly mindless and pointless word inn terms of where we are at the moment. |
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Post by Andrewlang on Feb 13, 2023 20:42:03 GMT
"One of the biggest components/outcomes/factors of success is the league you’re in"
Biggest, yeah probably. It's certainly the biggest surface level indicator.
It's not the only indicator, though. If we handle this ground purchase and development right then it's entirely possible we'll look back on 2022/23 as one the most pivotal seasons in our history. The potential is exciting, relegation on the pitch is disappointing but it doesn't have to change anything the club have planned.
It's all very frustrating in the meantime though, admittedly. Fortunately we're staying up.
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Post by whiteswan on Feb 13, 2023 20:45:59 GMT
One of the biggest components/outcomes/factors of success is the league you’re in. Cambridge getting promoted to league 1 in a success. Competing against bigger clubs, more attractive fixtures and therefore higher attendances is an outcome/reward for that success. Getting relegated league 2 is the opposite of that. Of course getting promoted is a success but surely you must see the bigger picture? No club is entitled to step-by-step progression. And if fans think their clubs are, then perhaps they should go back to watching clubs perform in some virtual hyperstratosphere universe where everything is done on a screen and not in real life. If we get relegated (and I hope we don't) it will be a bit of an ouch and will hurt but I really believe the club has the set up, sustainability and nous to start planning to return to League 1...a little older, a little wiser and a little uglier. BTW: anyone who uses the word 'ambition' in terms of the running of a club really doesn't understand football. It's a particularly mindless and pointless word inn terms of where we are at the moment. I agree with everything you’ve said. I don’t think anyone’s mentioned being entitled to step by step progression. The previous poster seemed to suggest that playing in league 2 against smaller clubs wasn’t an issue, because we have Fleetwood, Accrington etc in league 1. The difference is, the very obvious difference is, league 1 also has some sleeping giants and we therefore play in much more attractive fixtures. I think we can all agree with that!? I think we can also all agree that league 2 has some very very unattractive looking fixtures if we’re to go down. The best thing about league 1 is we get to go places like Hillsborough, The Valley, Portman Road etc etc. Obviously if you’re looking forward to taking 200 fans to Crawley next season (as someone suggested on twitter yesterday) or if you spend your Saturday tweeting about and ground hopping around the Kershaw premier league, you might have a different perspective. Which is fine. |
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Post by squeeze. on Feb 13, 2023 21:13:27 GMT
Of course getting promoted is a success but surely you must see the bigger picture? No club is entitled to step-by-step progression. And if fans think their clubs are, then perhaps they should go back to watching clubs perform in some virtual hyperstratosphere universe where everything is done on a screen and not in real life. If we get relegated (and I hope we don't) it will be a bit of an ouch and will hurt but I really believe the club has the set up, sustainability and nous to start planning to return to League 1...a little older, a little wiser and a little uglier. BTW: anyone who uses the word 'ambition' in terms of the running of a club really doesn't understand football. It's a particularly mindless and pointless word inn terms of where we are at the moment. I agree with everything you’ve said. I don’t think anyone’s mentioned being entitled to step by step progression. The previous poster seemed to suggest that playing in league 2 against smaller clubs wasn’t an issue, because we have Fleetwood, Accrington etc in league 1. The difference is, the very obvious difference is, league 1 also has some sleeping giants and we therefore play in much more attractive fixtures. I think we can all agree with that!? I think we can also all agree that league 2 has some very very unattractive looking fixtures if we’re to go down. The best thing about league 1 is we get to go places like Hillsborough, The Valley, Portman Road etc etc. Obviously if you’re looking forward to taking 200 fans to Crawley next season (as someone suggested on twitter yesterday) or if you spend your Saturday tweeting about and ground hopping around the Kershaw premier league, you might have a different perspective. Which is fine. As I have stated before, I am far more interested in my club owning it’s stadium, being part of it’s community, being financially sustainable, bringing youth players through and building a fan base for generations to come than the size or the aesthetic of the opposition stadium we play at. |
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