lesj
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Post by lesj on Sept 1, 2024 8:36:16 GMT
Given that he's an ex defender, he should know how to shore things up.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Sept 1, 2024 8:46:39 GMT
I don’t know the answer to that but 3 managers last season was not good for the club and thinking of changing the manager sometime soon doesn’t bear thinking about . If the club and the manager are one in this is the right way to go then Monk is the right manager to do it . Whether we have the right players to play this way is down to the recruitment process , how deep our pockets are and what everyone club out there is doing . You could argue we were unlucky with our targets , injuries etc but that’s just football, As I've said before, I think this is going to work, and he needs to be given time. That said, if it hasn't clicked* by Christmas then we have to look at a change to stay up. *Clicked = Same style with fewer mistakes, more goals, and therefore some points. Needs to show gradual improvement before then though otherwise we will have way too much to do - we are on track for about 6/7 points by Christmas.
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foolhandy
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Post by foolhandy on Sept 1, 2024 8:57:15 GMT
Yes. I wouldn't feel this way if we were the same by October. I'm presuming some gradual improvement!
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btb
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Post by btb on Sept 1, 2024 9:43:50 GMT
Still got 3 of our new signings who haven’t kicked a ball yet (Gardener, Loft and N’lundulu) and another two who look like they never have (Richards and Watts).
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 1, 2024 9:59:45 GMT
Was Watts that bad? I didn't really notice him for good or ill against Stockport.
I think we've missed a Loft or Nlundulu type to make it stick and bring others into the game so I'm hopeful t(he)y makes a difference...Saturday and a general lack of goals aside I think our style of play has created chances and been about as good as I'd expect it to be after 4 games so I'm hopeful enough to think it can get better.
Gardner should bring a little more balance and control to the midfield too.
Still not convinced by the defence but I think what we're doing wrong is coachable so I'm fairly hopeful about that but also pretty sure that if Monk can't coach it we'll have no choice other than to bin him.
All theory of course. We shall see. If we're still without a win at the end of September I can see the boo's echoing around the Abbey and a manager doesn't tend to last long after that.
Andrew
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danboyb
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Post by danboyb on Sept 1, 2024 10:24:10 GMT
We’ve also got Jason Euell who should be a better fit to take over short term than what BBC was or Betsy would have been. Long way from that yet, I’d give it till the October international break and see where we are. But we need something from the next 2 games against teams that are likely to be nearer the bottom than top come the end of the season.
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Post by zx10racer22 on Sept 1, 2024 10:40:09 GMT
It's still so early in the season.
The new system is working, in that we are creating chances and we're competitive in games. Anyone who saw us last season and has seen the first few games this season cannot help but notice the change in style, and how much more we are doing in possession of the ball.
The reason we've only taken 1 point is a string of individual errors. Cut out those errors and we will be a different side.
Of course the concern is that the young lads who have made some of those mistakes will have their confidence shaken - O'Riordan, Reyes, Watts and Ibsen Rossi. But part of being a top player is having confidence in yourself, having a bit of cockiness, and shaking off the moments you mess up. I'm unconvinced by the mental strength of some (Ibsen Rossi - sorry chap!) but hopefully they can prove me wrong.
There is absolutely no point in sacking Monk four games into this project. Last season was a totally different side, focused only on survival, using whatever style possible.
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foolhandy
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Favourite CUFC player: Spriggs. Dublin. Pitt. Lennett.
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Post by foolhandy on Sept 1, 2024 10:47:24 GMT
For fear of crossing the streams with catastrophic results, this thread feels a bit like the 'General Election 2024' one.
Time...
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danboyb
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Post by danboyb on Sept 1, 2024 10:52:20 GMT
I’d be more confident if we’d played some of the big hitters, Huddersfield, Birmingham, Charlton, That lot etc. But we’ve played teams who we really should have taken more than 1 point from. Even Stockport had horrendous injury problems when we played them.
I’m also slightly worried by the number of different players making errors. If it was the same one or two players then I’d be confident of it being eradicated quickly. But it’s 4 or 5 different players and the mistakes are being repeated on a consistent basis. You could argue Monk is also repeatedly making mistakes with his line up/formation choices too.
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Post by fatherjhackett on Sept 1, 2024 11:18:47 GMT
It's still so early in the season. The new system is working, in that we are creating chances and we're competitive in games. Anyone who saw us last season and has seen the first few games this season cannot help but notice the change in style, and how much more we are doing in possession of the ball. The reason we've only taken 1 point is a string of individual errors. Cut out those errors and we will be a different side.Perhaps the style of play generates individual errors.
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Post by joeaustin on Sept 1, 2024 11:39:55 GMT
In many ways I feel sorry for him, trying to coach premier league or international tactics into league one players, on a shoe string budget with a recruitment team hell bent on bringing in players with a chequered history of injury.
That said, we absolutely have to have a plan b, and he hasn’t got it, other managers would have been crucified for that by now. I don’t see where the points are coming from unless those injured players make an incredible difference.
Unfortunately comfortable relegation feels inevitable this season.
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danielcufc
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Post by danielcufc on Sept 1, 2024 11:45:38 GMT
We’ve got 5 more league games until the next international weekend - Birmingham away - and then a further 3 until the FA cup 1st round and the trip to London Road the week after. If we are rock bottom after the Exeter game and haven’t won a game then I think his position becomes untenable. If we’ve got say 5-6 points by the FA cup weekend then again he will be toast.
I don’t want us to keep changing managers but the off season is looking disastrous. There seems to be a disconnect between how he wants to play, who he retained and maybe who he has targeted. The points been made already in the thread about transfer policy but where is the hunger & desire from the players. It’s so noticeable the effort Barton & Njoku put in as they are invested in the club and trying to make a professional living in the game.
He’s got this break now to hopefully get Gardner, Loft & even Cousins back to at least being on the bench. Nlundulu as well gives an option up top. That will at least give competition in midfield & attack but the defence looks the biggest issue now. Rossi & O’riordan are just too similar and like Bambi on ice. He’s got to hope that Morrison can get back to something like he was last year and probably put Andrew in there at LCB. Play Lennett & Brophy potentially at wing backs to get us up the pitch on the counter better. As above though if he gets players back and results don’t improve then he will be dead man walking.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Sept 1, 2024 11:48:17 GMT
It's still so early in the season. The new system is working, in that we are creating chances and we're competitive in games. Anyone who saw us last season and has seen the first few games this season cannot help but notice the change in style, and how much more we are doing in possession of the ball. The reason we've only taken 1 point is a string of individual errors. Cut out those errors and we will be a different side. Of course the concern is that the young lads who have made some of those mistakes will have their confidence shaken - O'Riordan, Reyes, Watts and Ibsen Rossi. But part of being a top player is having confidence in yourself, having a bit of cockiness, and shaking off the moments you mess up. I'm unconvinced by the mental strength of some (Ibsen Rossi - sorry chap!) but hopefully they can prove me wrong. There is absolutely no point in sacking Monk four games into this project. Last season was a totally different side, focused only on survival, using whatever style possible. Totally agree on giving the guy a chance but the question will keep being asked on 'how long' if we don't pick up points. That's why I think the end of the month is a good benchmark. 7 games, 3 cup games as others have said, against the 'lesser' opponents.
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 1, 2024 11:48:48 GMT
"Perhaps the style of play generates individual errors"
Yes...but also no, maybe not directly. We were prone to individual errors last season too so I think it's a lack of concentration, responsibility and decision making rather than directly the fault of any particular style of play.
Andrew
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Post by martinjohn on Sept 1, 2024 11:52:16 GMT
I don't think I buy the 'trying to coach poor players into a system they can't cope with' argument.
The number one problem this season, by a long way, is that the majority of goals the 11 goals we've conceded were really really poor and should have been prevented. This is all about getting the basics right, regardless of the system. There's no way, in my mind, that the system is the cause of absolutely calamitous mistakes.
In theory, this is an easier fix than other issues that could be behind a side's poor start.
I'm giving Monk 6 more league games before making a judgement. But I want us to have around 9 more points in the next 6 games otherwise we'll be in serious trouble.
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