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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 1, 2024 11:55:42 GMT
"Totally agree on giving the guy a chance but the question will keep being asked on 'how long' if we don't pick up points. That's why I think the end of the month is a good benchmark. 7 games, 3 cup games as others have said, against the 'lesser' opponents"
If we're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand then that seems as good a place to draw it as any. I'm not sure the club will take the view that if target X isn't achieved by deadline Y then he's sacked though, I think it's more likely that deadline Y will maybe be the point that we decide to go a little more back to basics and pragmatic with our style and I think Monk'll be given the opportunity to do so until he reaches deadline Z (sometime in November or December presumably) where if results still haven't picked up then he's hooked.
Andrew
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Post by lionel on Sept 1, 2024 12:05:41 GMT
I would not feel sorry for Garry Monk. He's been out of management for three years and knew the club he was coming to when he signed the contract.
I would agree that individual errors have cost us and we are smacking the post/bar at the mo. The Broph almost scored a worldy ( multiple times). Please can someone tell Smith he doesn't need to give the ball away in front of his area.
I love what he's doing and we are attractive to watch at times. However, I would rather win ugly than lose pretty at the moment to get some points.
If we begin to get points then he is a bloody genius; if we don't then we need to part ways. For me, that would be with no other reason than outcome related. He's a good manager, comes across well and is totally committed to our club. The visial representation of my mind is the Blackpool match at the moment.
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Post by foolhandy on Sept 1, 2024 12:07:27 GMT
To dig up my comment about Southampton parallels, I'm sat here watching MOTD on catch-up and they've just been on. Change the names & division, and it really is us! I wonder if Monk watched it too?
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Post by btb on Sept 1, 2024 12:08:35 GMT
“Please can someone tell Smith he doesn't need to give the ball away in front of his area.”
We always have Jordan Cousins to come back soon, not that he has ever done that too.
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Post by Brophypants on Sept 1, 2024 12:09:13 GMT
In many ways I feel sorry for him, trying to coach premier league or international tactics into league one players, on a shoe string budget with a recruitment team hell bent on bringing in players with a chequered history of injury. That said, we absolutely have to have a plan b, and he hasn’t got it, other managers would have been crucified for that by now. I don’t see where the points are coming from unless those injured players make an incredible difference. Unfortunately comfortable relegation feels inevitable this season. Given how often he's changed formation within games and made substitutes that have made a difference (to the performance when not the result) I think it's disingenuous to suggest he doesn't have a plan b.
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Post by Bendigeidfran on Sept 1, 2024 12:12:15 GMT
I think Monk has bought himself time with the comments about this being a project, rather than an instant result. I also think talk of sacking him already is a bit silly. His main issue at the moment is finding a settled side. I think that because we've had to wait until deadline day for a striker, as well as players dropping like flies, he's not been able to put a consistent side out. I think if he picks his best 11, and sticks with it for a few games, then things will come good. Partnerships will form, players will understand each other better, and we'll see some of those silly mistakes disappear. It's felt more like a prolonged preseason with all of the changes so far.
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Post by Tom Shaw's Fist of Rage on Sept 1, 2024 12:18:35 GMT
"Totally agree on giving the guy a chance but the question will keep being asked on 'how long' if we don't pick up points. That's why I think the end of the month is a good benchmark. 7 games, 3 cup games as others have said, against the 'lesser' opponents" If we're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand then that seems as good a place to draw it as any. I'm not sure the club will take the view that if target X isn't achieved by deadline Y then he's sacked though, I think it's more likely that deadline Y will maybe be the point that we decide to go a little more back to basics and pragmatic with our style and I think Monk'll be given the opportunity to do so until he reaches deadline Z (sometime in November or December presumably) where if results still haven't picked up then he's hooked. Andrew That's a fair point that at some point someone should give him a nudge to try something different before we get rid. Who that nudge comes from depends on the structure, was Bonner nudged to be more expansive, but then lining up Harris suggests otherwise.
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Post by Fred Colon on Sept 1, 2024 12:24:57 GMT
In many ways I feel sorry for him, trying to coach premier league or international tactics into league one players, on a shoe string budget with a recruitment team hell bent on bringing in players with a chequered history of injury. That said, we absolutely have to have a plan b, and he hasn’t got it, other managers would have been crucified for that by now. I don’t see where the points are coming from unless those injured players make an incredible difference. Unfortunately comfortable relegation feels inevitable this season. Given how often he's changed formation within games and made substitutes that have made a difference (to the performance when not the result) I think it's disingenuous to suggest he doesn't have a plan b. I'd go even further and say it's 'utter bollox' that he doesn't have a plan B.
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Post by Andrewlang on Sept 1, 2024 12:45:36 GMT
Formation wise I think what we're playing actually is Plan B and that we're yet to really see what Plan A is. I'd anticipate us playing two upfront from now.
His in game changes are a bit hit and miss so far. Huge difference against QPR and Blockpool but slightly chaotic and disorganised in other games. His changes have a bit of a kitchen sink feel about them to me which given that were typically losing when he makes sense I suppose.
Andrew
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Post by funkymonk on Sept 1, 2024 13:02:49 GMT
If we're going to be the banter club, may as well just wait until Harrissss gets sacked and bring him back then.
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Sept 1, 2024 13:06:40 GMT
Talk of sacking Monk already are nuts. He's clearly trying to embed a new playing style, and it will take time to see if that can work. Equally, all this talk of abandoning those principles to 'win ugly' just doesn't make any sense if you actually want us to win playing that attractive brand of football. You have to keep practicing that way of football until it's ingrained to get it to work almost as though the players aren't trying.
So you either want that kind of football, or you have to accept the type of football that Bonner and Harris served up. I'm not sure there are shortcuts to get from one to the other.
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Post by El Goodo on Sept 1, 2024 13:42:30 GMT
To dig up my comment about Southampton parallels, I'm sat here watching MOTD on catch-up and they've just been on. Change the names & division, and it really is us! I wonder if Monk watched it too? It isn't really though is it? Yesterday alone, 2 of the goals Southampton conceded came directly from cocking up playing out from the back. I might be misremembering but I think of the 11 we've conceded this season it's only 2 that were directly from us playing ourselves into trouble. If you want to make the argument that playing that way & failing to get out indirectly has led to a few or leads to pressure building then that's a discussion to be had, but that's no different from a lot of what we did at times last season and the year before of failing to get anything to stick up top or losing possession too easily and the ball being straight back with the opposition.
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Post by lesj on Sept 1, 2024 13:53:02 GMT
Attendance only 17,000 for premier league ?
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Post by amberisbackdrink on Sept 1, 2024 14:05:16 GMT
We have to give time for players to come back from injury and also see where we are in November/December before making swift decisions.
Only reason you would sack a manager now is misconduct, losing the dressing room or getting totally overrun in games. Things need to improve on the pitch and results need to shift but its a bit early yet.
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Post by foolhandy on Sept 1, 2024 14:12:07 GMT
To dig up my comment about Southampton parallels, I'm sat here watching MOTD on catch-up and they've just been on. Change the names & division, and it really is us! I wonder if Monk watched it too? It isn't really though is it? Yesterday alone, 2 of the goals Southampton conceded came directly from cocking up playing out from the back. I might be misremembering but I think of the 11 we've conceded this season it's only 2 that were directly from us playing ourselves into trouble. If you want to make the argument that playing that way & failing to get out indirectly has led to a few or leads to pressure building then that's a discussion to be had, but that's no different from a lot of what we did at times last season and the year before of failing to get anything to stick up top or losing possession too easily and the ball being straight back with the opposition. Firstly, I think it's clear from my posts on here that I very much support the way Monk has us playing and I really believe it will be a success. My thoughts are as much to do with the narrative as specific bits of play. As for parallels: 1. Managers trying to play the same style, patiently passing it out from the back. 2. All around people are saying that it won't work in the division they're in. 3. Suggestion the players are not being good enough to play like that. 4. Individual errors being at fault for goals (not necessarily due to passing out from the back). 5. Great threat going forward but lacking clinical finishing in front of goal. 6. Compliments over the playing style and what the manager is trying to achieve. 7. But claims that they'll go down unless there's a more pragmatic Plan B. Obviously with Southampton it has worked in the Championship where we're a new project, but I find it interesting that lots of things being said are very similar.
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