MartinL
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Post by MartinL on Jun 26, 2011 17:50:34 GMT
An acquaintance of mine who works at a private school will be striking
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Post by warren62 on Jun 27, 2011 19:46:03 GMT
What about parents who are foreced because of the strike action to take a day off work - out of their annual leave entitlement or unpaid if no leave ? Is this strike fair on them will the teachers unions be offering compensation - remember they are so quick to take days for training, the health and safety brigade shut schools at the merist(?) ) hint of a sharp frost . Yet if toy want to take your childeren out of school for a cheaper family holiday you are castigated to a series of form filling and maybe a fine. They (teachers ) need a dose of the real world and the job for life culture needs to change. We in the private sector have borne this painfor fast few years and it was not our fault either (apart from bankers) - when will people realise there is no money left it has to change , and maybe the change is too late .
n.b my sons Village college does not anticipate being on strike or having the students day afffected. its also one lof the better performing village colleges.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 27, 2011 20:33:33 GMT
Hear hear Warren, the teachers want their cake and want to eat it. They should be ashamed to strike on Thursday.
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shaunxX
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 27, 2011 20:54:07 GMT
This is about some sensible compromise, something unions are not good at, striking will bring anger not sympathy, all those lefties including the moderator on here feel the majority of the public are fully supporting the strike.
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 27, 2011 21:18:15 GMT
Surprised you let those evil bad nasty hateful teachers near your kids. They all clearly came into education to cause your kids as much harm as possible. Better to do it the Gove way and invite a whole lot of untrained volunteers who haven't been CRB checked to take over for a day. Wonder how many paedos will be volunteering for that one.
You do know this is the first ever national strike by the NUT. To me that speaks volumes about their restraint over industrial action over the years and suggests we should pay attention. To suggest they got anything to be ashamed of is disrespectful to their vocation and the massive contribution these public servants give to our society.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 27, 2011 22:11:48 GMT
What about parents having to take a day off because their kids are off? Sure, that's the real issue here, that really gets to the heart of the matter.
I'm also baffled as to why people must continually try and stoke a 'private v public sector' war, whereby workers from each are at odds with one another.
If you have suffered in your job as a result of cutbacks or promises being reneged upon - be it a private or public sector job - you should surely be able to empathise with the teachers, rather than ask them to accept it and become as embittered about the consequences as some others obviously are.
Maybe it's because teachers are fighting to hold ground that others have already conceded, and those who did not take action in their cases would feel happier if others lost out too.
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Post by warren62 on Jun 27, 2011 22:21:52 GMT
the saying goes those that can can those that cant teach. Maybe teachers would like to use their strike day getting work experience in the real world like they send pupils out on ? Has a pupil ever done work experience as a teacher?
The fact is we are all in this economic mess why not take away the final salary schemes for all and have a money purchase scheme - things have to change for the long term good.
I think a year of private sector management mentoring public sector would reap huge efficeincies and cost savings maybe more left in pots for pensions.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 27, 2011 22:42:35 GMT
"the saying goes those that can can those that cant teach."
No it doesn't, and so what if it did?
"Maybe teachers would like to use their strike day getting work experience in the real world like they send pupils out on ? Has a pupil ever done work experience as a teacher?"
What is this 'real world' you speak of and why aren't teachers part of it? It is possible (indeed advisable) for anyone wanting to become a teacher to get work experience in a school, yes.
What do you do for a living?
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Mark of Carnage
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Jun 27, 2011 23:08:02 GMT
Final salary schemes were taken away 3 years ago. A compromise deal was made with employers to retain pensions in current form and employers have now reneged on that. No wonder public sector workers are pissed off! There's 3 main sticking points government up to now haven't been prepared to budge on:
1. Use of CPI instead of RPI 2. Raising pension ages 3. 50% increase in employee contributions
Government have been posturing up to now and not willing to compromise on any of these key points. There appear to be some signs in last couple days government are now prepared to negotiate but they still not come back with any counter offer. If Thursdays strike has achieved anything it appears to have opened dialogue. Government were not taking the negotiations seriously prior to this week. They also been made well aware that if they don't do anything about it soon they got 1.3 million unison members to deal with in the autumn.
Unions know they will have to accept a lot of this but expect government to concede at least something. Its irresponsible of the government not to listen and doubly irresponsible not to have come to negotiating table without some concession to give. The PM should sack that clown Gove he has handled this extremely poorly.
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mrjimmy
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Post by mrjimmy on Jun 27, 2011 23:30:55 GMT
As a teacher, though one who is not striking due to location, I can say that teachers live in what we commonly refer to as 'the world'. Whether this world is real or a manifestation of my imagination I cannot confirm. What is the name for the world that is not real?
a) people I don't agree with b) the world to which the poor cannot enter c) we have no thoughts of punctauation because we SHOUT d) Peterborg
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 27, 2011 23:41:14 GMT
I despise the saying. It's like the person who's saying it defines what is 'real' or 'valid', and anything outside of that is invalid. I'm sure we all know people in many different jobs and professions, I have to say I don't know many people who work more hours than the teachers I know. Many assume they work Mon-Fri 9-4 for 40 weeks of the year - they couldn't be more wrong. I'm not sure what boxes have to be ticked to live in Warren's 'real world,' but it's interesting that hackneyed sayings seem to represent absolute truths in his world. 'Those who can can'?
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 28, 2011 8:20:49 GMT
Surprised you let those evil bad nasty hateful teachers near your kids. They all clearly came into education to cause your kids as much harm as possible. Better to do it the Gove way and invite a whole lot of untrained volunteers who haven't been CRB checked to take over for a day. Wonder how many paedos will be volunteering for that one. Now who is being influenced by the so-called 'right-wing media'? Remember that the Daily Mail particularly reports sadly all too regularly on teachers who have more than crossed the line with kids and have been involved in paedophile activity - terrifyingly that particular disease seems to be prevalent across society. Also, why would parents who step up to the mark to support their children and the children of others by going to schools to assist this week need CRB checking? The mere fact that they are going to try to help their own kids should leave those with any common sense at all in no doubt about their motives. CRB checks are largely pointless. All they tell you is if somebody had committed a crime in the past and has been caught and prosecuted for it, and not if a person has the ability to commit a crime, which is probably far more worrying to most parents, myself included.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 28, 2011 10:04:25 GMT
If you're going to talk about the Daily Mail, there's no need for 'so-called' to precede 'right-wing media'.
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 28, 2011 13:58:12 GMT
Russ, honestly! I think the Daily Mail is a bit leftie personally. Hence why the inverted comma 'so called'
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 28, 2011 14:43:12 GMT
Yes, that famously left-wing newspaper, complete with its willing association with Adolf Hitler, the much-vaunted left-wing leader.
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