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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 28, 2011 15:38:18 GMT
Russ, please! I was being tongue in cheek....... Anyhow, Hitler did of course describe himself as a National Socialist, but the ideal of Nazi socialism was somewhat different to our current of left of centre socialism.
I would no more buy a copy of the Daily Mail than I would pay to watch Boro. Dreadful newspaper. I read the Times.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 28, 2011 15:41:32 GMT
I thought the tongue-in-cheek tone was heavily implied in both posts!
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 28, 2011 16:41:48 GMT
CRB checks are largely pointless. All they tell you is if somebody had committed a crime in the past and has been caught and prosecuted for it, and not if a person has the ability to commit a crime, which is probably far more worrying to most parents, myself included.[/quote]
I can assure you that CRB checks are not pointless. I have come across disgusting information on checks from people that we would believe butter wouldn't melt.
Just for my information, what are you basing you CRB theory on? Knowledge of the subject or wild, fact less theories?
Back to the subject of teachers, I personally sit on the fence however I would be interested to know what Jerry and Warren would do if they had a person sign a contract for X amount of products that they sell and that person defaulted on the contract they signed, saying they was going to pay less over a longer period?
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 28, 2011 18:32:23 GMT
Back to the subject of teachers, I personally sit on the fence however I would be interested to know what Jerry and Warren would do if they had a person sign a contract for X amount of products that they sell and that person defaulted on the contract they signed, saying they was going to pay less over a longer period?
Let's say the country has a basic need to cut it's cloth to survive, very similar to our club, hence the need, as many of us have done, to make financial sacrifice in order to keep our jobs or business running.
Take a look at Greece, public disorder by hardliners against necessary cuts, quite happy to see their entire country go bust. Lets hope the people of Britain can work through hard times with small sacrifice in order become stronger and wealthier when good times return.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 28, 2011 18:52:10 GMT
Hardliners or the poorest people in Greece who are taking the brunt of a problem not of their making? Unemployment at 16% and likely to rise- small sacrifice for them is it? You would just accept it if you were in that position? And you believe the EDL have the right to protest but not the Greek people- says much to me.
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 28, 2011 19:06:24 GMT
The 'shut up and deal with it' brigade must please the government immensely.
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 28, 2011 19:06:52 GMT
Take a look at Greece, public disorder by hardliners against necessary cuts, quite happy to see their entire country go bust. Lets hope the people of Britain can work through hard times with small sacrifice in order become stronger and wealthier when good times return.[/quote]
The poor in Greece are revolting because the government are taking things away that we take for granted - cutting things so deep that some people's lives will become worthless. However changing people's pensions are nothing like the cuts they are going to be seeing there, so it's not a great comparison.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 28, 2011 19:10:17 GMT
Well Bob, Shaun's view seems to be that the EDL should be allowed to "protest" unmolested yet teachers and the Greek workers should just bend over and take it.
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 28, 2011 19:13:39 GMT
Let's say the country has a basic need to cut it's cloth to survive, very similar to our club, hence the need, as many of us have done, to make financial sacrifice in order to keep our jobs or business running. Sorry I didn't answer your question. IMO taking away the rights of teachers. the very people that will ensure that this country continues to succeed by setting the standards of education for the future, is silly. I'm not a teacher and my kid is too young to go to school, however I want my child to have the best education possible and this is only possible by investing in schools and the people that run them. Better educated children means better economy in the future. Guess I'm not on the fence overall
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Post by Hugh Jerection on Jun 28, 2011 19:20:23 GMT
Well I believe that everyone has the right to protest including the EDL and teachers but it would be a bit weird if the Greeks came over and started protesting!!!
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Post by shaunxX on Jun 28, 2011 20:51:52 GMT
Public disorder quite different to protest martini, I guess you associate one with the other when you march.
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Post by warren62 on Jun 28, 2011 22:42:09 GMT
"the saying goes those that can can those that cant teach." What is this 'real world' you speak of and why aren't teachers part of it? What do you do for a living? I don't believe academia realise the financial mess this country and others are in. Greece could happen here eventually . I work for a major Uk plc with a global presence and a market leader in technology and market share in our field. I started my career in public sector but found the majority of people we happy to drift along collecting their pensions and meander through the pay scales and bands . The teachers I know are also bothered about their inability to actually teach due to the apathy and general lack of interest students have. If teachers were striking for the tools to be able to deliever better quality teaching I would have more sympathy. hachneyed saying absolute truth in my world you make a supposition that is incorrect. Re the contract question - cambridgebob are you suggesting the government is the customer of the teachers - I would have thought it was the students who are the teachers customers . Teachers are the agency tasked with delievering the govt education policy . Maybe a class action by all would through the courts would be a better course of action for breach of contract - lawyers would make a fortune.
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Post by MartinL on Jun 28, 2011 22:59:14 GMT
Public disorder quite different to protest martini, I guess you associate one with the other when you march. No public disorder when the EDL march then Shaun? Sad thing thing is anyone on the "right" don't seem to realise being on the "right" doesn't mean you are right. See how I didn't resort to calling you silly names or can I call you Shauni?
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Post by Russ Greaves on Jun 29, 2011 9:10:39 GMT
Who are 'academia' and why would they be less informed than you?
So your real world is in a "major plc with a global presence" - sounds like cliched jargon to me. You haven't answered the question though: why aren't teachers in the 'real world'?
You're trying to assert that the majority of public sector workers are just 'drifting along'. But I guess you and all your colleagues are the backbone of this nation, working your little socks off. What an absurd skewing of the debate.
We're not talking about layabout public sector workers, we're talking about a huge group of hard-working people who do vitally important jobs. Teaching is an enormously important profession.
You (mis)quoted an old saying as if it had some relevance to the debate. I fail to see what it adds, but perhaps you could elucidate on the following: those that can can those who can't teach...?
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Post by Jerry1971 on Jun 29, 2011 11:48:14 GMT
CRB checks are largely pointless. All they tell you is if somebody had committed a crime in the past and has been caught and prosecuted for it, and not if a person has the ability to commit a crime, which is probably far more worrying to most parents, myself included. I can assure you that CRB checks are not pointless. I have come across disgusting information on checks from people that we would believe butter wouldn't melt. Just for my information, what are you basing you CRB theory on? Knowledge of the subject or wild, fact less theories?[/quote] Knowledge of the subject. Everyone of my colleagues, and I, have a CRB check, it is required for the issue of accreditation and access in my industry. I agree CRB's obviously show up horrible crimes. That is what they are for. However, they do not show up the ability of someone to commit a crime if they have not done so, or not been caught for criminal activity so far. That is why reliance on CRB's as the defence against child molestation/paedophilia etc is utterly pointless, as if Mr Paedo hasn't been caught so far, he's not going to set any alarm bells off. Furthermore, the nursery worker imprisoned for child porn last year hadn't been caught for anything previously and had a clean CRB. I'm trying to say that a CRB is not a safeguard you can rely upon. Back to the subject of teachers, I personally sit on the fence however I would be interested to know what Jerry and Warren would do if they had a person sign a contract for X amount of products that they sell and that person defaulted on the contract they signed, saying they was going to pay less over a longer period? In the commercial world it is a sad fact that people default on contracts all the time. We've had it happen to us, more than once, over the years. Some of the reasons are simple - customer goes bust, customer has cashflow disaster, customer is a plain and simple bastard. All are causes. The simple solution is to sit down face to face with the customer and talk to them. We don't withold our services unnecessarily as the teachers are doing. Almost everything can be resolved by healthy and open dialogue. If a customer goes bust however, you've had it. No wonga, and a serious hole in your expected earnings. This scenario sends businesses down constantly, when they've done nothing wrong themselves. Similarly if UK plc goes bust then we've all had it. Who would pay our precious pensions then?
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