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Post by cambcam on Nov 8, 2019 14:30:56 GMT
Brother Carnage, I don’t disagree.
It is telling from this thread alone that despite all kind of wild expenditure claims from the various parties so far, none of the talk has been about policies, it is whether we like it or not being drilled down to an election about Brexit.
As for the conservatives lurch to the right and insensitivity’s of certain individuals, I agree. Unfortunately the chaos of Brexit and fake-news mentality has provided them with a convenient smoke-screen. Corbyn plays on this but to be perfectly honest he’s fighting a losing battle. The guy has become a stuck record. If he says “those most in need” one more time I’ll throw the fu*king telly at the wall. Jesus Christ, it’s painful. It’s all very well wanting to protect the vulnerable, but he comes across as a man that despises wealth, success and ambition.
Those are things that need encouraging not punishing, and will ultimately be Corbyn’s downfall.
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Post by cambcam on Nov 8, 2019 15:04:58 GMT
I do enjoy your patronising diatribes... Remainers have called Leavers "thick" is another one for the Brexit Bingo catalogue, though that would only be relevant to this discussion if someone within Labour had said it... Has that happened? I know you've got an axe to grind, but you're grinding it in the wrong place. So the Brexit advocated by the Brexit Party is a choice that only "nutcases" would support, but when the Tories threaten it it's a "potent weapon". You've really drunk the kool aid on that one... I don’t have an axe to grind, merely pointing out the dangers of Labour grinding theirs against each other, hence the reason for some long-standing supporters voting conservative. The infighting is a bigger problem for Labour that the Tories as I doubt the conservatives will lose too many votes to the Brexit Party, as most leavers will gamble on Johnson getting it through. Woe betide the Tories though if they win the election and fail with Brexit, that would be interesting for sure. Who knows? At least we haven’t got too much longer to find out.
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Post by spyros on Nov 8, 2019 15:21:12 GMT
I’m surprised I needed to explain that but perhaps I shouldn’t have been. If he says “those most in need” one more time I’ll throw the fu*king telly at the wall
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Post by martin018 on Nov 8, 2019 16:19:24 GMT
I’m voting Tory partly because of Brexit. It’s also not the Tory shift to the right as the Labour lurch to the far left. Diane Abbott and McDonnell in power scares me far more than Johnson and Priti Patel.
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Post by habbinboy on Nov 8, 2019 16:44:03 GMT
I'll be voting for Daniel Zeichner, an excellent MP. I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but the thought of a Johnson majority is terrifying.
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Post by lesj on Nov 8, 2019 16:56:24 GMT
"It is telling from this thread alone that despite all kind of wild expenditure claims from the various parties so far, none of the talk has been about policies, it is whether we like it or not being drilled down to an election about Brexit."
This is very true, as I have said earlier, people should be thinking not only about Brexit but who will be the best party to govern after Brexit is done .
This is what is making my decision on who to vote for difficult.
But it does seem by the replies on this thread that people will be voting purely on whether they want Brexit or remain
A mistake in my opinion . People really should look beyond Brexit.
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Post by Mark of Carnage on Nov 8, 2019 17:24:18 GMT
"It is telling from this thread alone that despite all kind of wild expenditure claims from the various parties so far, none of the talk has been about policies, it is whether we like it or not being drilled down to an election about Brexit." This is very true, as I have said earlier, people should be thinking not only about Brexit but who will be the best party to govern after Brexit is done . This is what is making my decision on who to vote for difficult. But it does seem by the replies on this thread that people will be voting purely on whether they want Brexit or remain A mistake in my opinion . People really should look beyond Brexit. When the Tories took power the national debt was just over £1 trillion. It's now the best part of £2 trillion. The myth that the Tories are the ones to be trusted with the economy is such bollocks. Doubled within just a decade because of their obsession with balancing the books with austerity dampening growth. They like to peddle this idea that the economy is like a household budget and look what they have done. Tinpotting the fifth largest economyin the world. Both Labour and the Tories intend spending big on infrastructure for growth but the last decade proves you simply can't trust the Tories to spend wisely on the economy. Time for those who care about the British people to sort it out.
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Post by kentishu on Nov 8, 2019 23:16:41 GMT
I’m voting Tory partly because of Brexit. It’s also not the Tory shift to the right as the Labour lurch to the far left. Diane Abbott and McDonnell in power scares me far more than Johnson and Priti Patel. But you said you have always voted Labour, and it's the same leadership team as in 2017. Labour hasn't shifted to the Left since then but the Tories have moved a long way to the right.
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Post by kentishu on Nov 8, 2019 23:22:14 GMT
The very thought of Diane Abbott being Home Secretary should discourage any sane person from voting Labour. Diane Abbott is a Cambridge University graduate, the first ever black female MP, and the longest ever serving black MP. She is also the most abused MP across all parties by a distance. She presents herself with great dignity at all times and is an inspiration to many. She would make an excellent Home Secretary.
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Post by kentishu on Nov 8, 2019 23:34:16 GMT
Cambcam
Do you actually engage your brain before you spout random rubbish? It would be good to have a sensible discussion with you but there's so much wrong with your posts I don't know where to begin! I rather think Spyros has worked you out. Please can RichMead and Chadders re-enter the debate, I may not agree with them but at least they make some sort of sense.
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Post by martin018 on Nov 9, 2019 7:15:48 GMT
I’m voting Tory partly because of Brexit. It’s also not the Tory shift to the right as the Labour lurch to the far left. Diane Abbott and McDonnell in power scares me far more than Johnson and Priti Patel. But you said you have always voted Labour, and it's the same leadership team as in 2017. Labour hasn't shifted to the Left since then but the Tories have moved a long way to the right. I didn’t vote in 2017, but previously had always voted Labour. I also think the party has gone far more to the left since then, especially with Momentum having more power. Also the anti Semitic position and Brexit position to me means i won’t vote for them.
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Post by kentishu on Nov 9, 2019 7:57:23 GMT
But you said you have always voted Labour, and it's the same leadership team as in 2017. Labour hasn't shifted to the Left since then but the Tories have moved a long way to the right. I didn’t vote in 2017, but previously had always voted Labour. I also think the party has gone far more to the left since then, especially with Momentum having more power. Also the anti Semitic position and Brexit position to me means i won’t vote for them. Ok, so you haven't 'voted Labour all your life' as per your original post. I'm pleased we cleared that up. Just being a bit economical with the truth, looks like being a Tory suits you. I bet their actual policies don't though.
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Post by pedrosacapuntas on Nov 9, 2019 8:06:26 GMT
If you're passionate about antisemitism, why go and vote for a party who have a much broader experience with anti-isms of a similar variety?
Still waiting for that promised inquiry, and I'm certain that Boris was sincere...
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Post by nickpom on Nov 9, 2019 9:28:54 GMT
The only thing I would say is that in all my lifetime I have never been confronted with such a dreadful choice amongst parties and leaders... the worst Labour leader in fifty years plus, a serial liar and cheat in both personal and public life (that's De Pfeffel Johnson if you were confused), or an inexperienced and slightly shrill Scot.
On balance the Scot probably gets my vote simply for not being a total pillock, but can you imagine what any of Blair, Thatcher or Ashdown would have done if they were still leading their party? It would have been a landslide...
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Post by lesj on Nov 9, 2019 9:49:12 GMT
Well, at the time of this post, this thread has attracted just 42 votes after 2 1/2 days.
Is it that people are not very interested in it or that there are a lot of people that haven't made up their minds yet ?
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