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Post by andyrt on Sept 21, 2020 15:29:44 GMT
‘What really annoys me is people suggesting that Covid-19 is somehow not a serious threat. The mortality rate once you have caught the disease is 5-10% at older ages. Quoting something much lower will cause people to think it's not a threat, and they will then take unnecessary risks.’
‘The most pertinent epidemiological feature of Covid-19 is a greatly varying mortality risk by demographic. Mortality risk is highly age variant, with 89 per cent of Covid mortalities in the over 65s. Mortality risk is also concentrated in those with pre-existing medical conditions (95 per cent of Covid deaths). This large variation in risk by age and health status suggests that the harm caused by uniform policies (that apply to all persons) will outweigh the benefits.’
Quote from a number of epidemiologists letter to the government
Surely the point is that the virus is a risk to older people with pre existing medical conditions, not the majority of the population. Why then isolate those that are of low risk?
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Sept 21, 2020 15:32:09 GMT
If someone in a shop isn't wearing a mask, don't go near them. It really is that simple. I think we have discovered the way never to catch any illness. Avoid all people all the time!
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Sept 21, 2020 15:35:53 GMT
For what it's worth, I am also against another lockdown, as I was against the first. What really annoys me is people suggesting that Covid-19 is somehow not a serious threat. The mortality rate once you have caught the disease is 5-10% at older ages. Quoting something much lower will cause people to think it's not a threat, and they will then take unnecessary risks. The most important thing is to treat this as the killer that it is, and do everything not to catch the disease. That way you know you won't die. So wear masks (properly), keep your distance and avoid crowds, and wash/sanitise your hands immediately after touching something that could have the virus. That way you won't catch the disease, and you can carry on pretty much as normal. It's not that hard to do. I'd go further and suggest that catching the disease should be a matter of personal shame and embarrassment - you are the people that are prolonging the problem for everyone else. That includes Johnson and the poster on this thread. Kentish Out of interest - anyone know what the mortality rate is from flu, if you catch it? Let's not forget that somewhere around 50,000 people a year die from that in this country. I'm not saying covid isn't a serious threat, but I do wonder whether the level of threat is no worse now that we have better treatments than for flu. Part of the problem at the outset of the pandemic was that so little was known about the virus, that the medical profession was scrambling for a response. We now have a situation where getting access to balanced information is really hard, as project fear has taken hold massively. As such, we're all left struggling to know what the best things is. What we do know, however, is there have been a whole load of people not able to access medical attention for other issues, particularly cancer, thanks to the various lockdowns. The numbers behind the outlying effects of the government action(s) isn't getting anywhere near the level of coverage it should.
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Post by kentishu on Sept 21, 2020 15:36:39 GMT
Seriously mate, what is wrong with you? I am literally advocating that life should carry on pretty much as normal, and you come up with that?
(That was aimed at Wingco by the way, Mike nipped in with a post when I wasn't looking:))
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Sept 21, 2020 15:38:25 GMT
Was this not a discussion? I was widening the point. Silly me...
Ah, now seen your edit ;)
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Post by ilovechadders on Sept 21, 2020 15:42:23 GMT
Anyone know the situation in China where this is all supposed to have started? With the obvious caveat that you never know if they are telling the truth.
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Post by Mike Osbourn on Sept 21, 2020 15:44:28 GMT
Anyone know the situation in China where this is all supposed to have started? With the obvious caveat that you never know if they are telling the truth. I hear that...
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Sept 21, 2020 15:44:47 GMT
Seriously mate, what is wrong with you? I am literally advocating that life should carry on pretty much as normal, and you come up with that? (That was aimed at Wingco by the way, Mike nipped in with a post when I wasn't looking:)) Kentish Nothing is wrong with me. Mate.
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Post by kentishu on Sept 21, 2020 15:56:10 GMT
‘What really annoys me is people suggesting that Covid-19 is somehow not a serious threat. The mortality rate once you have caught the disease is 5-10% at older ages. Quoting something much lower will cause people to think it's not a threat, and they will then take unnecessary risks.’ ‘The most pertinent epidemiological feature of Covid-19 is a greatly varying mortality risk by demographic. Mortality risk is highly age variant, with 89 per cent of Covid mortalities in the over 65s. Mortality risk is also concentrated in those with pre-existing medical conditions (95 per cent of Covid deaths). This large variation in risk by age and health status suggests that the harm caused by uniform policies (that apply to all persons) will outweigh the benefits.’ Quote from a number of epidemiologists letter to the government Surely the point is that the virus is a risk to older people with pre existing medical conditions, not the majority of the population. Why then isolate those that are of low risk? One of the few positives from Coronavirus is that we have discovered that Andy is capable of more than monosyllabic negativity. I agree with you, but if we want to get rid of the virus then it shouldn't be ok for anyone to catch it. Kentish
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Post by andyrt on Sept 21, 2020 16:01:59 GMT
We’ll never get rid of the virus, and just have to live with it. Like all the rest.
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Post by lesj on Sept 21, 2020 16:07:43 GMT
I've often said that 97% of rules are made for the 3% that are likely to break them and the other 97% have to suffer because of them.
It's probably about 3% that are idiots breaking the covic rules that is prolonging this pandemic, and again the rest have to suffer because of them.
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Post by dhpaul on Sept 21, 2020 16:35:04 GMT
For what it's worth, I am also against another lockdown, as I was against the first. What really annoys me is people suggesting that Covid-19 is somehow not a serious threat. The mortality rate once you have caught the disease is 5-10% at older ages. Quoting something much lower will cause people to think it's not a threat, and they will then take unnecessary risks. The most important thing is to treat this as the killer that it is, and do everything not to catch the disease. That way you know you won't die. So wear masks (properly), keep your distance and avoid crowds, and wash/sanitise your hands immediately after touching something that could have the virus. That way you won't catch the disease, and you can carry on pretty much as normal. It's not that hard to do. I'd go further and suggest that catching the disease should be a matter of personal shame and embarrassment - you are the people that are prolonging the problem for everyone else. That includes Johnson and the poster on this thread. Kentish The last paragraph just shows what an arrogant tosser you are. I assume that you'll be ashamed next time you catch a cold.
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Post by ftg1982 on Sept 21, 2020 16:45:43 GMT
The only way to stop a virus this contagious from spreading is to develop population-level (herd) immunity. That can be achieved by a vaccine or by enough people getting natural immunity from its spread (as appears to have happened in Sweden). You can practise social distancing (jury is still out on the effectiveness of masks but the trajectory of the virus has been the same in countries that have not made mask-wearing mandatory as those that have) and this may slow down the rate of transmission but it will keep coming back unless you want the whole country to social distance and live restricted life until a vaccine (at the expense of significant damage to the economy). No way around it the virus is too out there now.
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Post by Wingco's Boy on Sept 21, 2020 16:59:43 GMT
For what it's worth, I am also against another lockdown, as I was against the first. What really annoys me is people suggesting that Covid-19 is somehow not a serious threat. The mortality rate once you have caught the disease is 5-10% at older ages. Quoting something much lower will cause people to think it's not a threat, and they will then take unnecessary risks. The most important thing is to treat this as the killer that it is, and do everything not to catch the disease. That way you know you won't die. So wear masks (properly), keep your distance and avoid crowds, and wash/sanitise your hands immediately after touching something that could have the virus. That way you won't catch the disease, and you can carry on pretty much as normal. It's not that hard to do. I'd go further and suggest that catching the disease should be a matter of personal shame and embarrassment - you are the people that are prolonging the problem for everyone else. That includes Johnson and the poster on this thread. Kentish The last paragraph just shows what an arrogant tosser you are. I assume that you'll be ashamed next time you catch a cold. 100% this!
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Post by shubs on Sept 21, 2020 17:03:31 GMT
Anyone know the situation in China where this is all supposed to have started? With the obvious caveat that you never know if they are telling the truth. Unlike Johnson and Co who always tell the truth!
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